As probably lots of you guys I was checking the web and looking for the latest news about our fave riders... And I found news about this guy Stephen Cummings poor dude had to leave Volta ao Algarve because of a broken pelvis...
This news gave me this idea of something we could use here.. An injury list or suspended people/riders, after all I believe is easier for 500+ people to drop a line here then surf every cycling web page out there to find who is hurt or not... Who got suspended, caught or missed a control..
Do you get the idea of this post? I will hate to submit my VDS team... Ooops FSA DS team then find out one of my riders is out for "x" amount of time... Makes sense? It does to me... Besides there is people here that has more time or just know where to find all this info, if it wasn't for you guys I would not know half of what I know..
Hope this post becomes useful in this the last week before submitting our FSA DS teams..! Good luck everyone..!
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So just in case
Stephen Cummings out with broken pelvis… He should be back at some point this season. Remember Vino was out last year with broken pelvis… Right?
pablo777 - February 18, 2012
From what I've heard (Don't remember where), it didn't sound too bad
As far as broken pelvises go. Sounds like he’ll be back either training or racing in 4 weeks. But don’t quote me on that. It may just be hopeful delusions because I submitted my VDS team with him on it days ago.
Douglas Ansel - February 18, 2012
Oh nooo...!!!
Yes is not an ending career type of injury but doubt is going to be 4 weeks…. Hey I am not a Doctor, but I am sure there is others that know more…
Dude patience is a virtue some smart guys said…
pablo777 - February 18, 2012
Word is he's out a month
Aly Edge - February 18, 2012
And that's probably "off a bicycle" a month
Meaning it’ll take some time to get back the form he had before the crash, which almost certainly wasn’t his peak, which might delay him reaching his peak later in the year (or it might not – what do I know?) so there’s some validity to your doubts.
Aly Edge - February 18, 2012
Official story here
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cummings-fractures-pelvis-at-the-volta-ao-algarve?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=cyclingnews&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0
pablo777 - February 18, 2012
Pippo Pozzato
did his collarbone, but was back on the bike today.
Chris Fontecchio - February 18, 2012
have to say
it took me a while to get passed the hair and the silly tats, but dude’s a bad ass. Probably too early to expect much next week- but hopefully we’ll see an on-form Pippo this Spring.
jsallee00 - February 18, 2012
O/t I just realized who you are in strava...
pablo777 - February 18, 2012
I really like Pippo
No matter what tgsgirl thinks.
Chris Fontecchio - February 19, 2012
I don't think I every got to decide who you liked Chris
tgsgirl - February 19, 2012
you just don't know your own strength
yeehoo - February 19, 2012
Believe me, if I had that kind of power
I would’ve emptied his bank account long ago.
tgsgirl - February 19, 2012
Ha!
Dude has kids. You think there’s any money in his bank account?
omnevelnihil - February 20, 2012
More than mine
tgsgirl - February 21, 2012
You forgot the Belgian-envy factor.
Needs to like the same things as the cool Belgian kids.
straw dog - February 19, 2012
All Belgians are programmed to dislike Pippo after he devoted 2 years to tailing Boonen.
Backfired when he waited for him in Arenberg last year though…
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
As the back tat says:
“Only God Can Judge” him…
;)
Spot of Bother - February 22, 2012
How long takes to get over a collarbone nowadays? 4 weeks? Is really fast if you think about it.
pablo777 - February 18, 2012
Don't forget that Michael Barry and Mitch Bowen both have injuries that will keep them out for a while too.
Seahorse - February 19, 2012
Docker not Bowen?
slowK - February 19, 2012
Docker is Bowen, but yes, I meant Docker :(
Seahorse - February 19, 2012
PhilGil is still suffering
with being allergic to losing. Doctors fear it is a chronic condition.
Jens - February 19, 2012
He also melts in the sun.
Seahorse - February 19, 2012
That's why he wears shiny suits--to reflect the sunlight.
majope - February 19, 2012
Injury latest:
47 FSA Directeurs Sportif have contracted Repetitive Strain Injury in their firing fingers.
straw dog - February 19, 2012
sprained my right index typing this...LOL...!
pablo777 - February 19, 2012
Anyone has details on Dekker?
Knee injury/irritated? splinter under the left pinky nail?
pablo777 - February 19, 2012
Tendonitis
broerie - February 20, 2012
Damnnn... How serious?
This could be nothing or bother him all year..
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
... or not
Vansummeren suffered from a tendonitis last year, the week before Paris-Roubaix
broerie - February 20, 2012
Not taking that chance... He is fired..
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Dekker on Twitter:
There’s still time to put him back, pablo!
majope - February 21, 2012
Another update:
majope - February 22, 2012
Great idea Pablo - because I just headed on here to post something similar!
My worry is Romain Feillu. My team’s currently 10 points over and 2 riders too heavy. He DNF in stage 1 of the Tour Haut Var. That’s a strange place to DNF on the first day, since it’s only a 2-dayer. You can at least spin round day 1 and fetch some bottles on the morning of day 2 before ditching. Makes me worry that there’s something up with him, but can’t find any news.
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
Didn't even pay attention to Romain Feillu...
Nop nothing I can see either on the web about him.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
No Euskie injuries to report! Woohoo!
Albertina - February 20, 2012
Oh oh...
I believe you just jinxed it..! (i hope not)
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Terrific! Send them all fully healthy to the Classics and...and...
Well, I’m sure they’ll…ah. Huh. When does Pais Vasco start, again?
majope - February 20, 2012
holy week's weekdays.btwn rvv and pr
umwolverine - February 20, 2012
They're ok at the Ardennes!
Albertina - February 21, 2012
Er, ok, Pierre Cazaux has a cyst. I know not where.
Albertina - February 21, 2012
Latest news about Dekker..! I am firing him..!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Something I am sure you will never regret.
majope - February 20, 2012
just can't make yourself pull that trigger, eh?
umwolverine - February 20, 2012
Nop... too many chances to take with him. Better off.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Always injured, that Dekker.
One of the many reasons I hate him.
majope - February 20, 2012
but you have him? Or you fired him already?
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Of course I have him. On both regular team and Ed's League.
majope - February 20, 2012
well I respect your decision but I am not starting the year with a half a rider.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I fully approve.
majope - February 20, 2012
majope has no problem with it
as long as she knows she’s getting the right half.
Jens - February 20, 2012
hmmm... we still talking about cycling ... right?
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
i'm really not sure
you should respect her decision either
yeehoo - February 21, 2012
Sometimes
you’ve got to go with the Netherlands.
majope - February 21, 2012
Careful. Dan Fogelberg lurks.
R Mc - February 21, 2012
I may be the only other person here who gets that...
Seahorse - February 22, 2012
Wait, what...is this news about Dekker?
I’m not finding it.
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
Nothing serious...
Tendinitis according to Broerie… And in a more relevant news he is out of a few VDS teams.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
here
broerie - February 20, 2012
Thanks...!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I am bored and playing with the starting lists....
And by the looks of the season ahead and my team I can see I created a monster for the GT.. But right now no more then 2 or 3 riders per race..
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I have a cobbles team of precisely one.
But I’m going to rule Pais Vasco!
Albertina - February 21, 2012
i've been sitting on the same team for a couple weeks and finally pulled the trigger
Barely changed from first draft, other than swapping Anton for Menchov about 20 seconds before finally submitting. Good or bad move?
PopUp Rolen - February 20, 2012
Can I answer in October?
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Good move according to me... 8 by 8 Dennis is more likely to score more.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I'd wish
TheFigurehead - February 21, 2012
Huge mistake
Jens - February 20, 2012
You think?
Anton so far has a bright future for the last couple of years… still has to prove he can really win something..
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I always try and make my competitors feel better about their choices
Jens - February 20, 2012
so you agree 8 pointer by 8 pointer who would you take?
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Since Menchov is as interesting as cabbage soup he would never be on my team
but with 99% certainty he is the smarter choice of the two. If you can stomach it.
Jens - February 20, 2012
Thought so too... "smarter choice"
Anton can perform too, but I believe he has to have a lucky season.. so far is not in his side.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Menchov has a very good chance to win the Tour this year
Anton’s gonna be cockblocked at the Vuelta by Bert, even if he’s on his very best.
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
Menchov winning the Tour?
Ha :)
tgsgirl - February 20, 2012
Is it really so hard to believe?
He’s one of the strongest all-rounders in the peloton. Two long time trials gives the advantage to riders like him, Evans, Nibali (Basso at the Giro, I wonder which if any of the other two GT’s Nibbles gets for himself), Wiggins, etc. (Andy will be lucky to finish 5th this year) I wouldn’t describe “Denny” as the odds-on favorite, I’d say Evans is the odds-on favorite, but he’s got a good chance.
Who do you think will win the Tour this year?
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
The Tour
Evans probably. Maybe Schlecklet.
Either way, it’ll be dull.
tgsgirl - February 20, 2012
schlecks no way
i’d say in order: evans, wiggo/menchov – i have a feeling i’m forgetting somebody. nibali a good TTer?
yeehoo - February 21, 2012
Forget Valverde at your own peril I suspect.
Seahorse - February 21, 2012
for the tour?
really?
yeehoo - February 23, 2012
This time, yes. It isn't his normal 'thing' but he has a point to prove,
and Movistar really need to beef things up.
Seahorse - February 23, 2012
Haven't we learned about beefing up? CAS says it's a no-no
Jens - February 23, 2012
LOL..very poor choice of words on my part.
Seahorse - February 23, 2012
Well, unless you're using top grade Spanish beef?
omnevelnihil - February 23, 2012
The sort one might import to France?
Seahorse - February 23, 2012
yes.
Menchov . . . with a tactically astute team, stands a chance.
R Mc - February 20, 2012
Look at his TT results last year in 2 GTs
and tell me he’s a time trial specialist.
He got his results last year by hanging on in the mountains.
He got his results in prior years by loading up on red blood cells for the key races.
The main determinant of his success this year is whether he dares to dope himself up again.
straw dog - February 20, 2012
I'd use the phrase "time trial specialist" to describe someone like Zabriskie or Ignatiev
A pony for whom it’s his only trick. GT all-rounders don’t necessarily need to win time trials or even come close, they just have to be better than the climb-first Schlecks, Scarponis, and Rodriguezes of the world. When he’s on his best, Menchov is.
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
Of course, I didn't mean specialist that sense either.
But you said “Two long time trials gives the advantage to riders like him”. That was true in his heyday, when he was indeed a Cadel-type GC rider. But these were his performances last year, when on both occasions he was fighting for high GC placings (i.e. the TTs really mattered):
Giro ITT: 34th place (35s behind Scarponi, 11s ahead of Rodriguez)
Vuelta ITT: 13th place (1m20s behind Froome, 5s ahead of Nibali).
On the other hand, he climbed ok, hanging on pretty well on the climby courses to get 8th and 5th on final GC. The mantra that extra TT miles in the TdF favor Menchov is not supported by the evidence of 2011.
As I’ve said before, I think the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that Menchov’s strategy was to peak for a small number of races each year, and to boost that peak with transfusions. I suspect that the much greater risk of doing this, combined with advancing years, means that we will never see 2007-2009 form from him again. He got a good point haul last year by plodding around two GTs. I don’t see him getting more in 2012 by plodding around one. Unless he risks juicing himself again, of course, which is entirely possible.
straw dog - February 20, 2012
I'm not even touching any of that
Aly Edge - February 21, 2012
I don't know what you mean by that.
I’m not making any moral judgement about whether he’s any more or less guilty than anyone else. (e.g., Pelizotti was 2nd when he won the 2009 Giro.) I quite like the guy, to be honest. But for VDS purposes, I think you’d be wise to factor the probabilities of his past into your assessment of how he’ll do in 2012.
straw dog - February 21, 2012
Don't you think...
that it’s more accurate to look at last year as an off year for Menchov, rather than use it as a bar to now measure him at?
sminer - February 21, 2012
Yes, especially when it was atypical. Riding with Geox brought with it its own set of problems.
Seahorse - February 21, 2012
I do
So I looked at his VDS scores prior, and they showed that Dennis doesn’t show up other than Murcia, then Giro plus GT or Romandie plus Tour.
Even if he excels, he’d scrape 800. His results suggest something more like 550, and that’s if he does podium at the Tour.
ike2112 - February 23, 2012
I believe in him... top 5 at least at 1 GT.
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Yes, it always starts with believe
Right before the Omloop we’re all believers, but quickly disappointment pops up, followed by false hope, despair and ultimately doom. It really is a great game, isn’t it?
Lopex - February 20, 2012
Looking at my team I can sense the doom already
I think that means I’m ready to submit.
Jens - February 20, 2012
If only if things work according to my formula I should be top 20.
BIG IF…!!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Menchov does not show up in many places.
He always rides Murcia to win it.
Then one other stage race, and a GT.
If he bonks on the GT (and he has form at that), then he isn’t about to go out and win Lombardia.
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
If he comes 2nd in Murcia and the Tour, and does nothing else all year (likely!)
He’ll hit 575 for the season.
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
Not good enough...
I need him to bring me another 300 point… Make it happen..! I want 800 from him..!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Murcia is just two stages this year :(
tedvdw - February 21, 2012
Is one of them an ITT?
ike2112 - February 21, 2012
yep.
pablo777 - February 21, 2012
mmmm
cabbage soup!
yeehoo - February 21, 2012
Anton has a good year every second year. He's due!
Albertina - February 21, 2012
Can't make room for him anymore..!
pablo777 - February 21, 2012
All the more for me then! ;)
Albertina - February 21, 2012
I wish you well with him, but never again!
Seahorse - February 22, 2012
If you'd had him the year before last you might be feeling more positive!
Albertina - February 22, 2012
I have Inxtausti instead ;)
Seahorse - February 22, 2012
Oh ok, I still like you then :)
Albertina - February 22, 2012
Anything to please :)
Seahorse - February 22, 2012
i'll just have to live with you disliking me this year. no anton. no benat. just nieve.
umwolverine - February 22, 2012
Nieve gets you a pass.
Albertina - February 22, 2012
Amazing not a single Spaniard in my team this year..!
pablo777 - February 22, 2012
Stability versus possible higher return with bigger risk
or
Tour player versus Giro/Vuelta rider
or
Watching paint dry versus drama
Uphill - February 20, 2012
Money on my pocket..! I watch paint dry..! LOL..!
And I like Dennys ( must be Holms influence)
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
guess i'll just throw this here, katusha's giro squad has been announced
Katusha Team
BRUTT Pavel
HORRACH RIPOLL Joan
KRISTOFF Alexander
KUSCHYNSKI Aliaksandr
LOSADA ALGUACIL Alberto
MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel
RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim
SMUKULIS Gatis
VICIOSO ARCOS Angel
umwolverine - February 20, 2012
Menchov to the Tour then...
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
there wasn't really much doubt about that
umwolverine - February 20, 2012
Will he go for Vuelta? Any idea um?
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
The Vuelta is climby climby climby climby
There’s no way Rodriguez passes it up, even considering the wrath of Bert. He could lose five minutes to Bert in the race’s one ITT (…actually, that’ll probably happen) and still finish on the podium, the route is that climby.
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
For Vuelta I am kind off lost...
Didn’t think too much about who I was going to send there.. Let’s hope some of the guys that go to Giro go to Vuelta…! Wait I think I did it that way…??
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
This changes my entire team!
majope - February 20, 2012
J-Rod doing the double?
I’m a tiny bit surprised, but hell, works for me. Giro + Vuelta + Ardennes = points.
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
If doing both Giro & Ardennes
there’s a good chance he won’t produce in one of the two. Apart from that, I agree.
Jens - February 20, 2012
Did I accidentally put him in races happening simultaneously?
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
No but, maintaining peak from Ardennes through Giro has been hard historically.
The only one I can really think of who has done really well in both was DiLuca and don’t ask me how he managed that.
Jens - February 20, 2012
You name Di Luca and Holm's puke a little in his mouth...
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
This isn't a live thread you know.
tgsgirl - February 21, 2012
Yeah but understated sarcasm is welcome in
every thread.
omnevelnihil - February 22, 2012
and in life as well
jsallee00 - February 22, 2012
Oh really.
tedvdw - February 22, 2012
Uhoh
tgsgirl - February 22, 2012
He has said in interview that he would like a Giro stage win to complete the trifecta
so I doubt he will ride the Giro to win overall (like Anton last yr).
Problem is that if you ignore chances you might have earlier in the year, to put all your eggs in a late-season aim, if you flop then you have already missed your other chances (like Anton last yr).
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
Damn - hoped Selig would go here, in the hope he doesn't get Galimzyanov lead-out duty.
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
First season on this level
Not sure the Giro would’ve been a good idea.
TheFigurehead - February 21, 2012
+1
Seems really unlikely he’d finish this route anyway.
jsallee00 - February 21, 2012
The other 8 pointer doubt I had was
Kruijswijk Vs Anton … Steven is in Anton well there is always next year…!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
In the name of God how do you pronounce this last name..!!! Kruijswijk !!!
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Easy
Jens - February 20, 2012
Damn..! Technology is running me over..!
Now friendly competition at home with the kids and wife… Who can pronounce this twice the same??
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
Cool, I've actually been mentally pronouncing it right!
Aly Edge - February 20, 2012
Or my version
Steven Kruijswijk (35 KB aac mp4 audio in .mov wrapper)
tedvdw - February 21, 2012
I was sure my google search of "kruijswijk ewoud" would find it but alas no
Jens - February 21, 2012
Can somebody email him and ask him if he minds just being called cruiseship?
I’m worried about causing offence after orange-root-vegetable-gate.
straw dog - February 21, 2012
or love boat
umwolverine - February 21, 2012
Har
tedvdw - February 21, 2012
Feillu is potentially better than any of them.
More consistent year-round, will defo ride the Tour, has a chance to top-5 at the Olympics…
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
You could be right, maybe you are...
But I just don’t have many sprinters.. I like GC guys and built my team with that in mind… So other then JJ and Lucas (obvious reason i picked them) I only have Gorilla to piss holm’s up.. besides Greipel is from my wife town in Germany…
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I think there's a need for a balance.
If you pick a team full of GC men, then they take points off each other, as there’s only so many top-10s available in a limited number of valuable stage races.
Sprints, there’s loads of, and many sprinters have other talents (reasonable at classics or hillyish races).
I calculated last year that the likelihood of someone unheralded doing well in stage-race GCs was unlikely, yet to do well in a few valuable sprints was likely. So I spent bigger money on GC men, who ride more than once with real intent (in case they flunk the GT). And filled a lot of the rest of the roster with sprinty types likely to pick up points in the semi-classics etc. And Gilbert. Worked out well for me. I’m taking more of a gamble this year, but the above still holds true.
ike2112 - February 20, 2012
Makes a lot of sense..!
And made me go and look at my team one more time.. Could pick another sprinter but is good with 2 good ones and 2 that can still the show… 1 TT that rocks..! 3 classic guys…! 3 pure climbers and the rest GC or GKW (god knows what) I should be ok..! but nice idea of building a team that way..
pablo777 - February 20, 2012
I am so glad, that I submitted my team already!
Reading this comments does not constitute call for action any more!
Such a relieve!
holmovka - February 21, 2012
Done with mine too...!
Now I can go to sleep and relax..
pablo777 - February 21, 2012
HELL
Not season-threatening or anything, but Edvald’s out of the Omloop because of a stupid cold. I was counting on him to win it.
majope - February 22, 2012
Terpstra also out, has the flu.
majope - February 22, 2012
Langeveld might be out, too.
majope - February 22, 2012
Wait
Is this you trolling for Chris? Because Langeveld just posted that will do OHN recon tomorrow and looks forward to riding the cobbles again.
tedvdw - February 22, 2012
I said might.
Just read something that said he was uncertain.
majope - February 22, 2012
Doesn't matter, I have it on good authority that he can't win.
majope - February 22, 2012
And is it "V" or "v" for Peter _an Petegem?
majope - February 22, 2012
Not sure, but I would guess V
and wiki agrees: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Van_Petegem
tedvdw - February 22, 2012
Thanks!
majope - February 22, 2012
Did you submit yet? No? Jesus..!
I answer my self…
pablo777 - February 22, 2012
I just recced this...
…we need to stay up until Friday, right?
straw dog - February 22, 2012
Offredo's one year suspension is an injury of sorts.
Seahorse - February 23, 2012
Qualifies under "caught with something"
didn’t read yet but I saw figurehead post something.
pablo777 - February 23, 2012
I am nearly there. My final decision has now come down to:
A)
Joaquim Rodriguez, Basso, Romain Feillu
or
B)
Valverde, Samu, Marco Pinotti
So, I guess it all just comes down to – Do I think Valverde is back, or do I think a GT will be too hard for him? I’m leaning towards A as there’s less unknowns.
Ahh… or maybe if I have Basso, I shouldn’t pick Scarponi as they’ll take points off each other at the Giro. So I ought to maybe drop Scarponi.
And do I feel ok about relying on Ryder to have a bounce-back year; is that too risky?
If I drop Scarponi and Ryder, could I wedge in both JR and Valverde?…
Ach bollocks, I’m not as close as I thought I was…..
ike2112 - February 23, 2012
My opinion... Go for A is more reliable less "if's"
again, is my opinion. or trow C in and combine both?
pablo777 - February 23, 2012
After Ofredo's news will be safe not to select Alex Rassmusen?
Agrees? Disagrees?
pablo777 - February 23, 2012
Last I heard, CAS expected to rule on Rasmussen in late April or early May.
But there are different federations involved, different circumstances, and CAS’s involvement in one case but not the other. So I don’t think you can automatically assume that the Offredo case will have any direct bearing.
majope - February 23, 2012
Key difference might be the notification process.
Last I read, the UCI or Danish Cycling didn’t follow due notification process. Offredo didn’t have that technicality in his defence.
ike2112 - February 23, 2012
I wouldn't touch him with a prop pablo. CAS will have its day.
Seahorse - February 23, 2012
I for one think it's a fair chance that he won't be banned
TheFigurehead - February 23, 2012
Yeah, quite possible.
It does make sense that if the riders have to have their paperwork in order and follow the deadlines to the letter, so does the UCI.
majope - February 23, 2012
You could be right, but I wouldn't take the risk.
Seahorse - February 24, 2012
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