
If there's a revolution going on at Team BMC, you wouldn't know it from talking to Jim Ochowicz. "I don’t really look at this year as any different.," he tells me from his team camp in Valencia, Spain, as the team boards the bus for another mild winter workout. "Every year is a challenge for every team, regardless of your roster. You have certain expectations, certain goals that you’re all trying to accomplish as a group. You know, they’re professional athletes, we’re professional managers and coaches. This year is the biggest year in our campaign thus far with BMC, so there’s a few more challenges laid in front of us than in other years, but I believe we’re ready and it’s going to be an interesting season."
Aha! So this is a big year for the team! All about the fan/media landscape we chat of a Superteam being assembled on Ochowicz's watch, a team that boasts the reigning Tour de France winner, the guy who swept the Ardennes classics, the previous three world champions, two guys with Paris-Roubaix podiums, winners left and right, the two hottest young American talents... pretty much everything a team manager could want.
But except for that minor admission, Ochowicz is keeping it real. How? Why? Join us on the flip as we break down the classics and the new squad...

Ochowicz has plenty of reason for not busting at the seams as he surveys his charges as they assemble for the day's ride somwhere along the Spanish Mediterranean coast. When you've been around the sport of cycling long enough, three decades in his case, you've seen phenomenal events, met great champions, maybe even coached some big-time winners. Like the time Lance Armstrong, the pre-cancer Lance whom Ochowicz launched at Motorola, became the second youngest World Champion ever. Like the day Andy Hampsten surmounted the Passo di Gavia and won the Giro. Or the time, just six months ago, when Cadel Evans masterfully brought home the maillot jaune. He's been on top of cycling before, so forgive him if Ochowicz looks at the Hushovds and Gilberts now under contract to Team BMC and doesn't swoon. That's our job, not his.
When I ask him about his new assemblage of talent, we don't talk of star riders bought off the rack like they do at Yankee Stadium or Real Madrid. "It starts with an intention to want to fill certain positions on the team and to reach certain objectives. So yes, we first focused on the fact that we wanted to beef up the classics roster. And then you can go in a number of different directions to do that. There’s half a dozen to a dozen really talented Classics types out there, some are available and some are not.
"So you go through due diligence, Eventually weed it down to those who are free, and interested in joining a team like ours. Then it’s a series of sit-down discussions about things like what our program’s like, what do we do , who else is on the team, what are our goals, what are their goals, does it all match up? We were fortunate to eventually end up with two very talented riders in Gilbert and Hushovd."
Compare this to Team Garmin-Cervelo, the talk of the previous transfer season, and the differences are quickly apparent. Then, Garmin found themselves in a somewhat hastily-assembled, late-season semi-merger with Cervelo Test Team, a move that made them relevant to the Classics discussion like never before (and which paid off in the end), but came with its share of question marks. Like, what do Thor Hushovd and Tyler Farrar do on the same team in Flanders?
BMC weren't built like that. "Let’s say this: we’ve gone over the scenarios already and I think we’re all pretty clear on what directions we’re going to take depending on certain circumstances," says Ochowicz. When I ask him about whether you can have so many stars, including overlapping guys like Gilbert and Greg Van Avermaet or Hincapie and Hushovd, he's unequivocal: "We’ve gone through all those scenarios from day 1 when we started negotiating with riders. We’re all pretty clear and everyone’s comfortable with that, so it’s not something that I’ve got to hammer through and/or find buy-in for, because they’ve already bought in."
That's why this really is the dream team. Picture Gilbert, Ballan and Hincapie, all of whom were in the finale of the Tour of Flanders last spring, working selflessly toward a shared plan. Add in Van Avermaet, Hushovd, maybe Taylor Phinney for support. Flip the switch to Paris-Roubaix, with Hushovd being escorted to the Velodrome by Ballan, Quinziato and HIncapie, ready to fend off any lingering rivals in a sprint. Think of the attacks you could orchestrate with a team like this. Maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't, but there is absolutely no reason not to dream.
And they dream of Flanders, or Ochowicz does. "God, they’re all great races, I love them all," he offers when I ask him to pick one spring palmare he would cherish above all others. "Flanders seems to be the hardest race to win. Maybe because it’s a little more diverse and offers more opportunities than say Milan-San Remo where maybe a sprinter wins the race or Paris-Roubaix where it’s really just a hard-core cobblestone rider. Flanders is a little bit more open to a combination of those two. It even feeds into Liege and Amstel to a certain degree in that you need some climbing skills to get up those pave climbs. So I’d say Flanders. Picking one in my umpteen year career as a manager that I still haven’t found success in yet." That could definitely change.
GIlbert is the main protagonist in spring, everywhere except Paris-Roubaix. Incidentally, in light of his success in Liege-Bastogne-Liege (among others) last spring, and the numerous reasons why de Ronde has to be at or nearly at the top of Gilbert's wish list this year, I looked it up and only one rider has ever won Flanders and Liege in the same year. [Bet you can guess who.] In the modern era the two Belgian monuments bookend a four-weekend stretch of classics at the highest level -- or six weekends if you want to launch Gilbert at MSR. Can Gilbert really stay at his top level throughout that whole campaign? " I think from a physiological standpoint yes, he can be physically ready for those races, which I believe he will be, and the team will be too. It’s just a matter of getting the job done."
Running through a few more guys on the roster... on what Ballan brings in 2012:
Alessandro is a great rider, and one who has a great deal of knowledge about the races whether it’s Milan-San Remo or up and through Paris-Roubaix, which are his specialties, Flanders and Roubaix. His role will be to keep an eye on Philippe and Thor in those races, and if circumstances turn in his direction to continue on in his own opportunity, that could happen as well. He has the capability to go the whole distance, that’s not the case with every rider. He recovers well, he can ride the six-plus hours at whatever speed he has to to stay with the group or go ahead, and he knows how to manage those efforts. So, you’re talking about a guy who’s got a wealth of knowledge in those races, so he’s going to play a significant role in the team.
How does Van Avermaet fit in after having blossomed last year, the second he escaped Gilbert's shadow from the Lotto campaigns?
I think that Greg certainly has the capability to win certain races this year. He’s still developing as a rider, both physically and tactically, and it’s probably a little bit more on the tactical side that he needs to improve on to give him those opportunities. And Greg is inside of a very talented group of people, so he’s learning as he goes through this process from the people we’ve been discussing so far, so he’s got a bright future and we’re excited to have him in the team. And he’s a dangerous player – you give him too much rope and you’re not gonna bring him back. He’s strong, talented, sometimes a bit too eager but that’s part of the learning curve.
The plan is for him to get into the Pave classics, where he’s shown color as a U23 and has a lot of ambitions in the future. So currently the plan is to get in there, he hasn’t done 'em yet, so this would be his first crack at it so he has a chance to test himself on the roads at that distance, and contribute to the team effort. So he’s got a lot more on his plate than Thor has, we know Thor can get to the finish line, and Taylor’s still got to get through the process. So he’s got a lot of challenges, and when you’re his age it’s a lot of fun, and God you can imagine how excited he is to get in there and start these races.
Yep, I can. Well, I wish I could anyway. Being excited about the Classics is the new black, a point not lost at all on the veteran manager. "We’ve targeted those races since the 80s, teams that I’ve been on. They’ve always been a top priority in my playbook. They’re races that I love and that are so unique in their characteristics that they’re difficult to even describe, you have to see them live to appreciate fully.
"I know that the American public is starting to grab on to them, for a lot of different reasons. They’re getting more exposed to them, they’re just interesting races, just one day, tactical strategies are very intense, you don’t get a second chance, it’s not a stage race, you don’t come back the next day, it’s win or lose right there on the spot. I think that American cycling fans appreciate that kind of drama of a one-day race, like a football game, you know? Packers are out, right? And that was not the prediction in Las Vegas before. So American fans understand that kind of drama and the combativity that goes on in sports that occur in a single day."
OK, so you can't have everything, and for Ochowicz that would be his hometown Packers who crashed out of the NFL playoffs in a single game. Tough one to swallow. Gotta feel for the guy. I mean, you can just picture him in his hotel room on the Spanish coast, watching his team go down in flames with nobody to help him get over it but Philippe Gilbert, Thor Hushovd, Cadel Evans, George Hincapie, Alessandro Ballan, Manuel Quin... never mind. It's karmic balance for it to rain on his sports fanhood, because at his day job, Ochowicz is looking at a lot of sunny days in the forecast.
Photos by Doug Pensiger, Getty Images Sport
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Leather cap
Don’t have time to wade through the rules, but I’m pretty sure they’re banned.
TheFigurehead - January 31, 2012
Cap looks leather, but it's not.
Chief Commissaire - January 31, 2012
I don't know if that's better or worse?
Jens - January 31, 2012 via Android app
South of the Mason-Dixon they earn respect.
Ryan_Liles - January 31, 2012
"We thought and we thought and we thought about who might fit in with our needs"
“and just as it happened we came to the conclusion that the best and the most expensive riders were the ones that fit our profile”
Hehe, I like the story but there is a wee bit of after-construction in there. Can’t but love that they want to dominate the whole calendar and not just July though.
Still think Greg van A is the big loser in all this but we’ll see. Seems Thor isn’t doing many of the smaller cobbles races before RvV so I suppose GvA can get his shots there but I wonder if he is satisfied with that?
Jens - January 31, 2012
GVA could 'Devolder' any of the northern classics. . . .
. . . and now he’s on a squad that has so many options teams will have a very hard time covering them all.
Ryan_Liles - January 31, 2012
In theory, absolutely yes
My main concern though is if Phil & Thor will accept those kinds of tactics? Especially Thor after last years experience. He says so publicly but I have my doubts, he is running out of seasons.
Jens - January 31, 2012
Thor
Is acting more and more like a whiney bitch lately. Which I find hugely disappointing.
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012 via mobile
Bad PR Manager
Ryan_Liles - January 31, 2012
He is cursed with a manager (Carrera) who is yappy at times
and a coach (Kvålsvoll) who is a bit of an attention-whore and gladly speaks “for Thor” often and loudly.
I seldom have a problem with Thor’s own comments although there does seem to be something of a pattern emerging. First he makes a cranky comment post-race or in the moment, then he does a sensible, likeable comment in a more PR-polished sit-down interview later where he explains how all that was said in the first comment was misinterpreted and or not really what he meant.
I still think he is a long way from whiney but I do think he is more ego-centric than he wants to let on (as egocentric as most highly successful athletes are).
Jens - January 31, 2012
Didn't hear anything whiney...
…in this 20-minute audio interview on the BMC Racing Team website from media day last week.
Chief Commissaire - January 31, 2012
And no way do I believe that Thor is content to ride support for others
Just not gonna happen.
Doesn’t mean that the team can’t be successful though.
ursula - January 31, 2012
I'm thinking the same thing, but on a larger scale
We’ve seen a big loaded, team work before to make sure they won the Classics they wanted to (Oh, hi Mapei), but we haven’t seen it lately. That’s a lot of talented riders grouped together, with the egos to match (that’s not a negative necessarily).
If George covers a break and finds himself 30" up on a chasing group with Thor in it, 15K from the velodrome, is he going to soft pedal and give them a chance to catch up? Um…………..
Drew Davis - January 31, 2012
Heard a rumor from a semi-reliable source
that Hincapie’s sort of the key in this bunch:
short version is that he has a LOT of road cred and gets to lay down the law—not necessarily for his own benefit.
R Mc - January 31, 2012
wouldn't surprise me
dude has a bit of cred when it comes to getting wins for his team.
ant1 - January 31, 2012
The O'Grady model...works every time.
Seahorse - February 1, 2012
I believe
that Ochowic believes they’re all simpatico, probably with good reason. Everyone is saying the right things, and for the moment it sounds credible. I think if you respect your teammates enough, this sacrificing is easier to swallow. But the real test only comes in the race.
Chris Fontecchio - January 31, 2012 via mobile
I think a lot will depend on what was promised them signing up
Thor and Phil probably have pretty clear papers on what sort of support to expect in what races. Hincapie and Ballan pretty much have their place in the pecking order established by the level of their results. The wildcard still I think is GvA who probably came to BMC expecting a solid place in the classics hierarchy (and to escape PhilGil) and question is how he will handle it since he is the most upwardly mobile in the bunch.
Jens - January 31, 2012
And the other part is..
say one of these guys has a race that he’s The Guy for the team-but he doesn’t do as well as expected or at least as well as he hoped. Will that rider then try harder in another race where he is not necessarily Plan A? For example GVA: he targets oh, DdP, comes in 4th and he thinks he want/deserves another chance in say E3 or Flanders. What then?
ursula - January 31, 2012
Don't all these guys have 2+ year contracts?
It’s a lot easier to support a corporate vision when you know you’ll have a job next year.
Ryan_Liles - February 1, 2012
TWS(on Garmin-Cervelo)S
Jens - February 1, 2012
I have no idea what you are saying.
Ryan_Liles - February 1, 2012
That's What (the collective) She Said
when the lure of 2 year contracts kind of played out like Thor’s P-R last year.
omnevelnihil - February 1, 2012
Well I would qualify that a bit more
“And no way do I believe that Thor is content to ride support for others in a race that he cares about”
Thor can be a team player. If he has absolutely no personal ambitions in a race.
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
Didn't know about the manager and the coach
ta
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
"A whiney bitch?"
Really?
Holdenmate - January 31, 2012
Really.
How much of that is based on reality, I don’t know. Just a feeling. Or, is it?
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
I myself have a hard time getting past years ago post-stage Cadel interviews
that turned into something like…“It was 2 against 1, what could I do?” I’m thinking, Cadel, it was a mountain top finish with nothing left but the top of the GC, what the F are you talking about?
phantom_51 - January 31, 2012
or he could van summeren them
pissing thor off.
ant1 - January 31, 2012
Yeah, that's a funny way of explaining things
Really, Gilbert completes us!
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012 via mobile
Johan Van Summeren was already on the Gamin Slipstream since 2010
So, you could reasonably argue that the Garmin~Cervelo merger did not actually help with only classic win they achieved last year.
Ryan_Liles - January 31, 2012
I think that'd be a tough argument to make though.
Thor did an excellent job distracting Tony from chasing down JVS.
omnevelnihil - January 31, 2012
so Test Cricket is not quite the thing in US?
Difference between Garmin and this team when it comes to most of the classics?
Gil(b)ert (m)ade ©aptain in races he wants to win. Its very simple. Everybody rides for Gilbert as long as he has a chance. Garmin, otoh was all about a multi headed monster where the captaincy was determined by the road. Very difficult modus operandi.
Expectations for the season? Anything less than two top wins (monuments or world) would turn out to be average.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
Well, anything less than that for Gilbert alone
would be a let-down after last season.
Not easy managing expectations with a line-up like this.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
agree, the only thing that prevents me from saying 3 big wins, is that it just sounds
ridiculous. After all we have a minimum of 18 teams entering the competitions.
Fwiw, I think GIlbert will deliver those two big wins for the team.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
I don't see how their season can be anything but a let-down
It seems extremely, extremely unlikely that Gilbert will replicate last year’s performance. It seems sort of unlikely that Evans will replicate last year’s performance (mostly cause I believe Conta will race TdF this year). It seems unlikely that Thor can win green again (Cav’s still alive, right)?
The bar’s just too high, I think. Even a great season will seem like a let-down, even though it’ll still be a great season. Does that makes sense?
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
+1
PopUp Rolen - January 31, 2012
Tend to agree
Then again, they may not hit the same high notes… but they might find other high notes to hit.
tgartner - January 31, 2012
PhilGil could very well become world champ
that’d be a new high
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
Now that you've convinced me that their season can only be a let-down,
my expectations have been lowered to a point where they may be exceeded.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
But now that you expect your expectations to be exceeded
won’t that raise your expectations to a point where they can’t be exceeded?
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
Balance
An elusive mistress
ursula - January 31, 2012
If Gilbert wins half as much this year, I think he'd perform to expectations
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
So, if he wins Amstel
and loses Fleche and LBL, you think people would consider that a good Ardennes campaign?
tgsgirl - February 1, 2012
The other day,
@inrng mentioned Adrie van der Poel and only had space for one win in parentheses. In his long and distinguished road career, Van der Poel won the Ronde, Liège, Paris-Tours, Paris-Brussel, San Sebastian, Amstel and more. Guess what happened? :D
tedvdw - February 1, 2012
Like I care about the opinion of a man
who’s proud of the Hoogerheide world cup :p
tgsgirl - February 1, 2012
Well
it was @inrng who wrote it it, so it was his choice to mention Amstel and not the other wins.
tedvdw - February 1, 2012
I'll go unfollow him now
tgsgirl - February 1, 2012
Depends on how he loses the other two
lieutenantmudd - February 1, 2012
Yeah
“Losing a race” is quite a concept. Amstel win and podia at FW/LBL? That’s a damned success. Amstel win and top tens at FW/LBL would be a career season for 90% of riders.
Amstel win and like 50th in FW and LBL, yeah, that would be a failure.
Aly Edge - February 2, 2012
Where he finishes is part of it, too
But “how” might be more important. Finishing on the podium while losing a direct battle against one or two riders, versus finishing back in the pack after a lucky break of 20 makes it? Not much to be read into the latter, but LOSING?! …Important deviation from last year.
tedvdw - February 2, 2012
Test cricket?
Is this a science experiment?
Chris Fontecchio - January 31, 2012
This aggression will not stand, man
(maybe it’ll jump) http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/~w3behav/318%20labs/318pages/318Aggression.htm
tedvdw - January 31, 2012
Can I just preempt anyone about to make a "hopping mad" joke.
It’s too bloody obvious, restrain yourself!
straw dog - January 31, 2012
Way to keep us on a tight leash, dog!
Holdenmate - January 31, 2012
more like
this, surely
Drongo - February 1, 2012
or, in similar vein
this
Drongo - February 2, 2012
They really has an amazing team,
for the classics. Can’t wait to see how they will perform when on the road. Boonen said the chances at RVV should favour Gilbert, I hope Thor can finally get his holy grail,P-R, and then Gilbert to dominate the ardenner classics once again. Add in all the other talent on this team, and it can prove to be a good spring for Ochowich
hansgruber - January 31, 2012 via mobile
*changes, ochowicz :-)
hansgruber - January 31, 2012
Also *have, Ardennes
Wouldn’t an edit button be so nice? :p
Aly Edge - January 31, 2012
Haha, thanks
Yes, it certainly would:-)
hansgruber - January 31, 2012
Looks like Phinney won't be getting much action this spring in the big races...
I’m thinking he will only be getting a ride at G-W, Scheldeprijs and maybe some other lower races
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
the backup plan would be 1 week races (flatish) with a TT.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
Eneco!
Aly Edge - January 31, 2012
the 3rd biggest race after ToC
(still better to win something, than hang around as luggage in big races)
Uphill - January 31, 2012
Finishing second to Boasson Hagen
would be a very nice result for Mr Phinney.
Holdenmate - January 31, 2012
Honestly I can't think of any other week-long "flatish" stage races
The Ruta Del Sol sorta comes close, but it’s only 4 stages, and BMC didn’t race it last year. Maybe the Tour of Beijing? Last year it was a time trial, 3 group sprints, and one stage where the winner finished all of a second ahead of the peloton. Granted, I didn’t actually see a pedalstroke, so I don’t know how flat it really was. And in any case that’s still only 5 stages.
Aly Edge - January 31, 2012
Tour of Turkey
Post Rund Denmark
Tour of Qatar
Tour of Oman
Tour of Britain
Within 10 seconds. I’m sure there are many more.
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
ENECO!!!
Oman isn’t really flattish, I don’t think.
tedvdw - January 31, 2012
Yeah, Oman is rolling + the hilltop finish one the one stage
even the TT isn’t flat
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
Eneco was already mentioned above :)
And I always mistakenly believe Qatar and Oman are the same. Heh, desert
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
Turkey isn't flat either
They were just close together this year b/c of the huge breakaway that went so the top 5 are bunched together
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
It's flattish
That Tour of Turkey website is still aces, by the way
tgsgirl - January 31, 2012
It might be "flattish" b/c of the sprint finishes but it has
but it has a lot of breakaways and when moncoutie, van garderen and thibaut pinot have all been on the final podium in the last 2 years, it isn’t that flat…plus it has the shittiest (non-cobbled) roads of the year
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
Shittier than Poland?
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
They are up there...that would be a good question to ask rider's though
I remember Van Garderen and some others, from when they rode Turkey, were needing excessive amounts of chamois creme, extra padded gloves and double bar tape. Incredibly bumpy
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
Hmm
Turkey didn’t have a time trial last year
Denmark didn’t have a time trial last year
Qatar…..meh. 2.5 km prologue
Oman is not flat any more than the Tour of California is (yes, there are sprint stages, but there be climbs, too)
Britain, yes.
Turkey, though generally regarded as a sprinter’s race, also usually includes at least one stage that ensures that a sprinter isn’t the overall winner. Oddly, last year it was the stage Petacchi won (just a weird day all around – two-thirds of the field lost more than 40 minutes that day). I assume the idea behind a “flatish” race is to be a GC hopeful, so that would seem to rule Turkey out anyway.
Aly Edge - January 31, 2012
Frak
I guess Denmark did. Foo~!
Aly Edge - January 31, 2012
The SSSR's probably vary from time to time, but I think one can
divide them into three cats: Flatish, Hilly and the Real Deal (mountains).
From time to time some of them will include a TT. My point is that Phinney will have a better chance at a Flatish (or even hilly) stage race that includes a TT that trying to do someting in a monument on a team with incorporates Gilbert and Hushovd.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
hm
I read that answer as Phinney riding Paris-Roubaix and Flanders, albeit as a helper getting experience. I don’t think the excitement part works for Scheldeprijs.
Chris Fontecchio - January 31, 2012
Yes, I thought that was fairly explicit.
Given Phinney’s potential, it would be irresponsible not to let him ride RVV and PR this year.
sebastiandeluded - January 31, 2012
he's gotta stay healthy and be fit
unlike 2011
R Mc - January 31, 2012
What is promising is that he was
very upfront about perhaps not going at his first season the absolute right way. He seems very mature in that way.
Jens - January 31, 2012
Indeed
I’d be more worried if I was a Marcus Burghard or Quinziato. Given the superstars have their place, they want to develop Phinney and Phil may want a spot for “his” guy Blythe there may be a shortage of opportunity for those two (who may have huge potential).
Jens - January 31, 2012
RVV potential roster:
Gilbert
Hushovd
GvA
Ballan
Hincapie
Phinney
..
..
I think PR is easier to configure.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
To me Quinz and Burghard are the obvious two
But PG likes Blythe by his side and Lodewyck was brought along for a reason. Perhaps he’s more of an ardennes dude though?
Jens - January 31, 2012
Don't know.
Also the team could just leave GvA in the dust here. His contract runs out in ‘12 and the team really doesn’t need him anymore.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
Wow, you're even more cynical than me :-)
Jens - January 31, 2012
"You Can't Handle the Truth"
Uphill - January 31, 2012
Lodewyck was 19th at E3 last year and actually finished Flanders
He can go the distance and that is what they need. Put Phinney in Roubaix, that is more of his style
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
I take Burghard and let Gilbert have Blythe or Lodewyck if he likes.
I’m still going to register mild surprise if Gilbert wins RVV. Maybe he targets RVV to add to his list of palmares, but to expect him to then dominate the Ardennes might be asking too much. To surpass 2011 is, I don’t know… I’ll choose my words carefully and say ‘highly improbable.’
sebastiandeluded - January 31, 2012
New RvV course supposedly climbier and taylor-made for Phil
Jens - January 31, 2012
I'd leave Thor at home
Until he bags his beloved PR, he will always half-ass it in Flanders.
PopUp Rolen - January 31, 2012
+1
Ryan_Liles - February 1, 2012
He rides one of them, max. Put him in P-R and see how he goes
but don’t waste a spot on both of them. They need reliable workers and guys that have shown can go the distance…
Provisional RVV roster I have seen for BMC is
Burghardt
Ballan
Gilbert
Hincapie
Hushovd
Quinziato
GvA
and Lodewyck…there is a reason Gilbert brought him from Lotto
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
Why even bring Hushovd?
He has never shown any talent in the RvV
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
Good point
but he almost certainly needs it as prep for Roubaix.
Jens - January 31, 2012
Would of had a 3rd place if not for being bumped into the barriers in the final sprint in '09
He would be chancing his form if he skipped it
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
CTT pixie dust I say!
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
oh please
I realize it’s the internet, and hyperbole is all the rage, but “never shown any talent”?
2005- 31st
2006 – 14th
2007- 60th
2008 – 27th
2009- dnf – crashed – would have been top 5
2010- 57th
2011- 53rd
Hard to see how that history justifies leaving him at home. Sure, they shouldn’t ride for him, but he sure as hell should be there.
jsallee00 - January 31, 2012
actually, I think those results DO argue for leaving him home.
those are pathetic results for a supposed leader.
R Mc - January 31, 2012
Huh?
As R Mc says… for a team leader and a rider of Thor’s talent, this looks like 6 shockers and one top 20…
I think your evidence proves the opposite of your conclusion pretty convincingly. Not his race.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
And yet he needs to be there...doesn't matter if it isn't his race
if he didn’t race it, he would not be properly prepared for Roubaix. Plus both of you are forgetting the fact he had a shit classics team at C.A., he seemed to be a bit bulkier at C.A. and a different type of rider (could handle G-W nicely) and the 27th place in ‘08 was in the group for 4th and ’09 was going to be a very likely podium finish if he didn’t get run into the barriers.
Yeah, its unlikely he will ever be a major factor in it but he would be going into Roubaix cold if he didn’t race it and he is THE leader there. No sense in bringing Phinney in for an 87th place and just learning the ropes when Hushovd has a goal to prep for while being able to ride at the front in Flanders
Vlaanderen90 - January 31, 2012
Fair enough.
If you kick out a couple of results for the reasons you say, 4 bad ones could just be random chance.
After all, it’s hard to understand why he’d be bad at this race.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
I think Jens had a good comment this spring about Thor and Flanders.
One of the PdC regulars at least. Something like Flanders is short bursts, start and stop, etc. Vs. P-R which is laying down a lot steady power.
Way out of my knowledge though.
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
Hmmph.
O’Grady got to 3rd or 4th at RvV with CA . . .
Being charitable, I’d argue that those early results are explained by Hushovd still being in the Cavendish GT stage-win sprinter era of his career.
But, if he needs to ride RvV for PR prep, then make him RIDE RvV. Do something like Cancellara’s ridiculous attack in 08: enough to get all the gunk burned out and get some serious work in, AND set up team-mates.
R Mc - February 2, 2012
what gaps?
A lot of times there’s a big peloton just behind the winners.
Chris Fontecchio - February 1, 2012
I don't think these results support your argument. Rather, they undermine it. Thor stays home.
Seahorse - February 1, 2012
If BMC wants Thor to contend at Roubaix, he will be riding.
From 1994 on, only one winner of Paris-Roubaix didn’t ride Flanders the week before…and that was Van Summeren this year. He has too much clout and is ego-centric enough (which is good for a champion) to be left home for Flanders. Especially just to let a newbie (like Phinney) ride
Vlaanderen90 - February 1, 2012
*this last year
Vlaanderen90 - February 1, 2012
the ego-centric part
is why he should not ride RvV: if he doesn’t really have the characteristics to win and won’t ride for a team-mate who can, he should spend 5 hours motorpacing that weekend . . .
R Mc - February 2, 2012
With that argument, Farrar should never ride RvV...he doesn't have the characteristics either and I don't see him helping
It would be like telling Duclos-Lasalle or whoever to skip Flanders and ride behind a moto because they couldn’t of beaten whoever and didn’t help a teammate.
Vlaanderen90 - February 2, 2012
We're beating a dead horse here, especially since I agree with you
But Farrar has been 5th in RvV
lieutenantmudd - February 2, 2012
Hushovd, minus that crash, would have been there or better
Hell Cipo got 9th one year just by hanging in and waiting for the bunch sprint. It is possible to get a very high placing at Flanders by not attacking and waiting to sprint, thus not having the characteristics to win.
This horse meat is quite tender
Vlaanderen90 - February 3, 2012
So what you're saying...
Phinney is the spiritual descendant of Griepel: King of the small shit races.
Of course he has to win them first…
ursula - January 31, 2012
Then let's hope his genetic heritage matters more than his spiritual heritage.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
There's a new Greipel on the block...cover your ears ursula.
Seahorse - February 1, 2012
potential for super-team drama all season long this year
for a few teams.
Ochowicz… tough one to spell that, might be the only time I type the ‘cz’ combination.
I’m betting that cap is ‘soft-shell’ material.
And they didn’t change that ugly kit from last year even a little bit, did they?
phantom_51 - January 31, 2012
Ugly Kit?
The Bleacher Report gives the BMC Racing Team kit a 9 out of 10.
Chief Commissaire - January 31, 2012
Then the Bleacher Report needs an eye test.
Seahorse - February 1, 2012
I don't buy it
I think the team overlaps too much. Too many riders for too few races.
I wouldn’t want to put together that Tour squad.
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
I would
Cadel
TvG
Santaromita
Morabito
Hincapie
Cummings
Gilbert
Thor
Burghard
Jens - January 31, 2012
Agree, this would seem rather easy to me.
The question is: can they keep everybody happy as the race goes on? I think so, especially if Gilbert bags an early stage win.
Uphill - January 31, 2012
As long as it's perfectly clear to Thor that there will be no green jersey shenanigans
and he is ok with that going in.
Jens - January 31, 2012
yep.
Were I Evans, I buy Gilbert and Hushovd a Tahitian vacation in July.
But . . . if . . . they could be convinced to do the mid-stage super-domestique work. Wow.
R Mc - January 31, 2012
Big "if."
I thought a big part of the Evans story last year was that the team was all about protecting him in those early stages that weeded out so many contenders. Clearly they won’t be so united in their purpose this year.
Of course another part was that Contador was tired from the Giro, so it could be that BMC are not so high on Evans’s chances against a fully rested Contador, and have decided to hedge their bets.
tgartner - January 31, 2012
I disagree...
I think that BMC has a lot of confidence in Cadel, especialy with this years course. Contador might be the favorite, but Cadel will be nipping at his heals and things could easily swing his way.
Van Nugget - January 31, 2012
They have a lot of confidence
And a Tour that starts in Liege (Gilbert). And another rider who’s Tour starting place is probably written into his contract (Thor).
Gilbert and Thor did not sign up to Cadel’s domestiques. They may work for him here and there, especially if they are about to win yellow. But no way they will be 100% dedicated to him.
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
Agree with you about thor...
but seems like gilbert and cadel are pretty chummy. I could see gilbert dropping a W at the begining of the tour, and then going all out for cadel after that. I think Thor might have secondary ambitions for the Olympics and we might see mediochre support from him.
Van Nugget - January 31, 2012
If the olympic course rumors are true
(harder than first thought, likely to be decided in a smaller group-sprint) Cadel could be stuck with both Phil and Thor unwilling to dig deep late in the TdF in order to preserve themselves for London.
Jens - January 31, 2012
I'd love to think Cadel has stepped up to Conta's level
And it’s true, all the TTing will help. Should keep Andy at bay, anyhow. But my fear is that everything needs to go right for Cadel to repeat… and having a team with divided goals is a bad beginning.
tgartner - January 31, 2012
I'd say your fear is more realistic than your hope.
ursula - January 31, 2012
It's a bit funny
Cadel, Gilbert and Hushovd. Places 1 through 3 on the opening stage last year.
lieutenantmudd - January 31, 2012
Och says they have all the scenarios worked out already
so there can be no problems.
If any of the scenarios involves putting a leash on Gilbert I will be disapointed,.
phantom_51 - January 31, 2012
The last time Gilbert
Went all out for the WC he gave the Tour a total pass and used the Vuelta for prep. As he is going all out for the WC this year Phil may have no interest in the Tour at all.
bought with blood - February 1, 2012 via Android app
Good point
although he did seem to get bitten with Tour-fever last year and that sometimes clouds reason and good sense.
Jens - February 1, 2012
The Tour starts in Liege this year though
Tour bug or not, I think he almost has to line up if the stages there suit him at all.
lieutenantmudd - February 1, 2012
Also
there’s the Olympics. And with the WC in Limburg, how much training does he even need to win?
Chris Fontecchio - February 1, 2012
Oh, he's definitely going
ASO even Gilbertified one of the early stages per his request
tgsgirl - February 1, 2012
Is Ballan
going to avoid a multi-month lay off this year?
(I ask for VDS reasons, you understand.)
civetta - January 31, 2012
Maybe ursula will give us a monthly rate?
I hate it when you have to pay for a whole year up front.
straw dog - January 31, 2012
From an interview with Gilbert
So he will help Cadel out.
GVA, not so much. GVA is the he in the quote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gilbert-feels-no-pressure-ahead-of-new-season
lieutenantmudd - February 1, 2012
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