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Withdrawal and what we learned from the TDU (Now image free)

I had withdrawal yesterday...all those lovely live threads with Auntie, where the chat was probably more enlightening than the race call, although we all enjoyed the atmosphere that was created. So I thought I'd do a little list of the things I learned from TDU 2012. A few detractors say it's impossible to learn anything from the TDU, but I say they're just so last century.

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What we learned...The List:

  • Andre Greipel, (who likes to be called Andre), is very fast. He is also now blessed with a good lead-out train whom he trusts. I'll be cheering for him. Come July I'm hoping he's happy, because my guess is that the team won't be dedicated to him. Prediction: I will be ranting about Marc Sargeant again, even if it's unwarranted.
  • Sean Yates says GreenEDGE weren't fit enough for the race. So the gamesmanship for the Olympics, where Oz and Great Britain discount all other competitors except each other has begun. Goss also acknowledges that beating Greipel is very, very hard, and he's dreaming of the Classics.
  • GreenEDGE men cry a lot. (This European influence might stop those Australian lads from being 'blokes'. They need to head North fast.) Neil Stephens cried when Gerrans won, McEwen cried when he talked to the team about his last race in Oz, and Durbridge cried because Robbie did.
  • UniSA was as usual the coolest team in the peloton. Will Clarke's win was masterful and Rohan Dennis is Flatty's 'kiddie' for 2012. Helpful hint: Do not put them on your VDS team. In fact also remember not to put any trackie from GB or Oz on your team before 2013.
  • Valverde is back and ready to rock and roll.
  • Stuart O'Grady really IS the Mayor of Adelaide. I've never seen less sensational reporting of an alleged assault by a sportsman in all my years of reading newspapers. Rupert Guinness even wrote an opinion piece on the problems of being a sporting celebrity, even before it was announce that O'Grady would not be charged.
  • McEwen's body has taken enough punishment, so retiring will be a boon for him. See onev.com for proof.
  • Linus has had a hair cut. Oh, and he's finally losing the boy band thing. Veeral Patel has taken the first 'grown up photo of Gerdemann.
  • Veeral Patel (aka O'nev) is a brilliant photographer. See above.
  • Sergey Lagutin is off contract at the end of the season, so we must talk him up at every opportunity.
  • LooseHorse is ready for a haircut, which is big news, Zoe is coming to Oz to live, Muk, as an expat needs a little 'fix' of TDU to get him through the winter months in Philadelphia. Drongo has not read Cloudstreet...deportation is imminent. Pablo may soon stop being an expat and TDU suits American audiences in regard to time zones. Umwolverine can translate all time zones and TV viewing times.
  • The TDU is a viable stage race to be enjoyed, if you appreciate it for what it does well, instead of tuning in just to note its inadequacies.
  • PdC members would probably watch two flies crawling up a wall if they were on bikes
  • Thank you all again for making this a special TDU, at least for me.



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What I learned at TdU

1. Lotto has the best kit in the peloton, even with the mismatched shorts
2. Saxo and Garmin’s kits look too similar, but both look really great
3. Adding a sponsor actually made me like the RSNT kit
4. I’ve come to realize my attitude toward returning from suspension dopers is due almost exclusively to whether or not they admit they doped/did something wrong. Making Valverde’s return very unpalatable to me
5. People can get way too sensitive about defending their favorite pro riders. It’s just bike racing.

I agree completely with 1 and 2. I miss the old RS kit which had sharper colours.

4 and 5…I think my level of forgiveness to sanctioned dopers is determined by the moral outrage of others…or contrariness if you like.

re: #4. I have to say I agree, and even more so in Valverdes case. Can't stand seeing him win.
On 2. I really like the white stripe on the Saxo helmets.

Makes them easy to recognise

+1

I love that your top 3 reasons are kit related

Fashion is so very important
There's a photo on Marcus Burghardt's Twitter that shows he has style...except for those bloody yellow shoes.
GreenEDGE men cry a lot. (This European influence might stop those Australian lads from being 'blokes'. They need to head North fast.)

This is the nation who started the ‘men crying’ with their cricket captain Kim(!) Hughes and their crap PM Bob Hawke blubbing on live TV. Very sad and very un-crocodile dundee!

'Crap' PM...oh my God, you're a Tory, but politics..worse than doping or being dopey.
Tdu for me

I’ve ordered Cloudstreet and the castle, they are on the way.
Glad to see Valverde back.
Glad to see Greipel looking good. But really i don’t see him giving cav much of a run.
Glad to see the aussies being aussies. Yap yap.

+1 on Valverde

A lot of people thought Movistar were too quick to sign him up, but I disagree – he’s done his time, seen out his punishment and paid his dues, so let’s welcome him back.

Except he still claims he didn't do anything wrong

And the team happily follow that line. I expect a minimum amount of decency before I welcome someone back.

But think of how morally superior Valverde makes you feel. Doesn't that make his return worth it?
Hmm.

Yes, I can see your point there – and the evidence against him (three bags of blood, in Fuentes’ fridge, tainted with EPO wasn’t it?) looks damning.

However, as some people on here already know, I was charged with a fairly serious crime last year and faced a year in prison. I knew I hadn’t done it and so do all the people who know me, but there was very strong evidence against me and nothing in support – I can still hardly believe the court found in my favour. Had they not have done, I’d have continued to state my innocence in prison and after I was released and had nothing to gain by doing so (just as I did right through the investigation, even though if I’d falsely confessed I’d have probably got six months in prison, possibly suspended and reduced to three for good behaviour, rather than going through half a year of hell and risking everything).

Not too long ago, I’d have believed Valverde was guilty as sin, but having been the situation I was in I can’t help wondering if Valverde’s insistence that he’s innocent might mean that he in fact is.

99.99% of the innocent says they're innocent

And 99% of the guilty says they’re innocent. OK, I made those numbers up. But the point is that the claim of innocence in itself says very little. I’m more interested in the evidence.

If my jury had been too

then I’d be an innocent man in prison right now. I suspect a lot of guilty people don’t bother to say they’re innocent once they’ve served their time.

Doping is different

in that regard that most often the athlete will return to the “scene of the crime”, competition.

Also a fair point. I was going to say that he’d have nothing to lose now his suspension has expired, but I suppose that when trying to win a decent contract with a major team a rider might want to continue protesting innocence.

OK, you’ve got me convinced. :-)

Do you really think Unzue was ever NOT going to take him back?
what I learned at the TdU

1. I learned I should take 1 sec and breath before I post if I am posting emotionally reactively.
2. I learned/was reminded no dope talk in a live thread
3. I learned I should apologize if I rashly make personal nasty comments – so sorry I said s$#!w you all, when I really meant whats up with the “F that guy” comment.
4. Further to 1.above, I did not at all really mean 99% of current riders are doping, I meant maybe at a guess 1/2 the riders in the peloton have doped either minor or major at some point probably (who really knows) in their careers. And I really believe(and HOPE) as do we all I am sure that currently doping in the peloton is getting under control.

and Phil you are right it was not classy at all

and neither were my replies to your posts that followed

I learned

that peterfish is a cool dude, despite the slightly rocky start ;)

thanks tgsgirl

and I told seahorse its going to get to be like the loveboat around here! (ouch was her reply to this pic) :

I'm too young for this, really
No really, you're too old for this. It's awful.
and figurehead just a funny note:

I guess I am in the 1% of the guilty who say they are guilty

i regret my frustration-fueled outburst; podium cafe is classier than that!

valverde has served his time and i need to get over myself.

Get over the gravel road. This sounds like cx.

I approve.

I hate gravel. It's all skiddy.
I love gravel

Great fun at high speed on the MTB. I also like singers who have a throatful of it.

Well I am a mezzo...

So you sing, play the flute, ride CX, write articles, hold down a job and introduce people to Basque pelota… do you have time to sleep?

Rarely, which is why I am frequently to be found nodding off at my desk after lunch ;)
As a great supporter of the siesta

it’s my belief that all employers should be forced by law to provide keyboards with a pillow function. How else will humanity bring an end to the horror of qwertyitis?

I miss living in Germany

Lunchtime was 2.5 hrs so workers could go home, eat with the family and have a nap

Germany,

in my opinion, is among the world’s most civilised nations.

many many many hearts gravelroad, thanks

talking about gravelroads have you heard of this cool shop/club/team in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada that loves gravelroads cycling of all sorts?
http://talltreerides.blogspot.com/
http://www.talltreecycles.ca/

thanks for the share

those guys look like they know how to have fun.

here in NC we have the Autodrop guys who are really into hosting creative, adventure filled racing. check ’em out:

http://autodropltd.blogspot.com/

cool!

I went for spring (bicycle) training and early season racing in NC in 1982, got into my best ever racing shape there, came back to Canada and got some top 3’s !

That's pretty much how I feel

I find I’m able to separate Valverde the human being from Valverde the bike rider, though. Haven’t really done that before.

You know I love you almost as much as I love holmovka ? ;)
Just to be clear

That’s a LOT.

You mean I wasn't as discreet as I thought? Oh the shame :(
What, are you saying I can't be uniquely perceptive?!

The outrage! ;)

i love you almost as much as i love holmovka too ;)))

(jus kidding holmovka, no worries)

+1 on Velverde and +100 on Greipel / Cav comp.
+1 to all of it

I have downloaded a sample of Cloudstreet to my iPad, that is the first step towards reading it ;)

And about Valverde, I am happy to see him back, nice with some competition to Gilbert. It does not bother me that he will not admit or apologise, as I see the man, he is too proud to do that, I see him with a personality like a “toreador” ( a bull fighter) and I do not mind a proud personality and see no reason why all sinners should brake down and cry, if they take their punishment then that is ok with me.

Amen Sister! And I so hope you enjoy 'Cloudstreet'. If you are reading it in English, I think some of the Australianisms will

be challenging. Although Tim Winton is a contemporary writer, the book is set between 1945 to the mid 1960’s. Perhaps we should start a Cloudstreet thread ;)

Sadly, I missed the entire TDU

So I have no idea what you’re all talking about. But I did just reserve Cloudstreet from the library. I’m always looking for something to read.

Yay! I hope you love it.
A televisation is on tv in the UK at the moment

of course, i found that out AFTER the 1st episode!

can always try the

sky player to play catch up

"if they take their punishment then that is ok with me"

But he didn’t, did he? He exhausted every possible legal option in the hope of avoiding punishment on a technicality. Then when his suspension finally became reality, what option did he have but to “take the punishment”? You see him as a a bull fighter, I see him as a bull shitter.

It’s the lies, lady. The lies. The lies get to me.

Now, you enjoy seeing Valverde back on the bike. Good for you. I’m genuinely happy for you. :)

Lots of good points, folks!
TDU suits American audiences in regard to time zones.

Not all of us. TDU suits the West Coast. It was too late for the East Coast.

Do you have a link for the grown-up Leeenooos pic?

Near the bottom of http://blog.onev.com.au/wordpress/?p=3927

Thanks.

Those hollows in his cheeks look a bit scary to me—he seems to get a bit too thin at times.

Yeah.

Looks kinda like Willem Dafoe on crack there.

Give that boy some fries!
Well heck

Now you kinda know what it’s like during the TDF.

Versus’ coverage usually started at somewhere between 5 and 7 AM EST – a perfectly reasonable wake-up time. Notttttt so much for us on the left coast.

FWIW,

I wouldn’t mind watching flies ride bikes up a wall (unless they’re on carbon fiber – Bah!).

Only if they have little lycra kits :)
If they were wearing any combo of blue/black/white...

well, that’d just be ridiculous.

WOW! Seahorse, how did you know!?

Currently watching a few flies crawling up the wall, probably the bunch sprint! ( Bikes are purely imaginary ) :)

Is there a baby Cav there?

A baby Cav, eh?

Is this the new trend? Babies that look like procyclists?

John! Today, purely by accident, I discovered your blog.

I love it!
Bike’s antitheft device…… Man! I still laughing!

Yep, I noticed you!

…and thanks for the kid words. Your camels are forever welcome to graze in my pastures.

Learning is phun.....

1) Streaming Radio broadcast of a race didn’t over run my account and I didn’t get Fapped, Whoooowa!!!
2) Fill yer Tucker Bag before ya go on a long trip / or daily, which ever comes first.
3) Simon says……Gerro & Greenedge are off to a great start of the season

Nice...!!!!

Glad to start the year with a TDU of this caliber…! Loved everything good and bad…!
What is good for me is not good for others? I don’t care I am still happy..!

Oh thanks for the mention..!

So far is a dream, can’t wait to materialized

Corrections and Additions

Muk currently lives in Pittsburgh, not Philadelphia (I think that matters more to natives of those two cities than it does to me though) – and I LOVE any cycling downunder, it warms my heart so to see something on the scale of the TDU getting stronger year by year.

My confidence in the ability for the PDC to talk about anything, literally anything during a live race thread was reinforced – this is perhaps the most eclectic gathering of individuals that I know of or could begin to imagine – so cool!

I missed Auntie more than I realised – and yes am now listening to the cricket via Auntie streaming over the interwebs.

You missed the bit about Valverde drinking a beer in order to help generate a post-race sample. That act alone raised him a notch higher in my reckoning – clearly he has been rubbing shoulders with some Aussies lately…

Flatty is possible the toughest individual I know. Most people with an injury would skip a bike ride, but no, he just shifts to a different style of bike and knocks out 140km rides anyway (might have something to do with the views he was afforded?) – great to see you back in the Cafe Flatty!

Zoe is well on her way to an Honorary Aussie Passport – quick learner that lass…

I think that a happy Andre is an Andre that should be feared within the peleton this year. And he has a good train around him and a few reasons to be happy…

At least it was a city starting with a P :(

As for Flatty, they broke the mould when they made him, and I should also have said that his on the spot photos were a wonderful addition.

Radio coverage was great.

It would be interesting to see this format being used other places.

Agreed

It added a whole new (and yet very original and old) dimension to the experience …

I was so happy

to be able to read a live thread again! TDU is a great beginning to the race season and did seem even better than last year.Happy to see the sponsor reup,we can use every bit of good news.Even when I can’t watch it’s fun to come here and listen to everyone.
Great pictures,sorry I missed Robbie crying,I would have probably cried too.I am going to miss him and the others that are getting close to time to go.Happy for Oscar,Still think Stuey should have won(or Jensi).
Loved the Aussies educating us on all thing Australian.
Thank you Seahorse and all the others that make this stuff happen.

I swear I post a comment on this thread yesterday but now its gone. Sadface.

I learned that Koalas are cute and slow (dopey from the leaves they eat) but if you get too close they will claw yer eyes out, or yur skin off.

Also, Australia will let anyone that Seahorse approves have citizenship.

Third thing I learned:

Seahorse is an excellent live race host.

Is there actually any animal native to Australia that can’t either kill or seriously maim you in some way? You can’t help thinking that if there is a/are any god/gods, they only created the place so they’d have somewhere to keep all the dangerous stuff.

There's the wombat....

or the platypus (just be careful of the spur at the back – venomous! – Wikipedia description: egg-laying, venomous, duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed mammal!)

Also – The Castle is the(!!!) movie of Australia – you can take that straight to the pool room

I bet a wombat would hurt if it fell out of a tree onto you!
A wombat'd probably hurt you more while you were trying to put it in the tree.

Naturally they’re pretty docile burrowers.

They are car wreckers extraordinaire...basically too slow to get out of the way, and too camouflaged

to be spotted in time.

Take your pick: the bilby or the quoll :)

bilby

images

Don't corner a quoll

Had one find it’s way into our tent one time while camping in Tasmania.

All I’m gonna say, is don’t corner a quoll.

Can’t comment on the Bilby…

I think bilbies are very very safe. I always think possums are cute too, until I hear their blood curdling

screams at night.

blood curdling is right

I remember hearing that scream for the first time after I’d been overseas for a while. Scared the living daylights out of me until the brain clicked into gear and I realised what it was.

Welcome to the land down under

Where even the animals that look cute and cuddly deserve respect and can scare the shit out of you :-)

Just for the hell of it

I thought I’d provide some Wikipedia links to some poisonous Australians:
the funnel-web spider
the stonefish
taipan
eastern brown snake
tiger snake
box jellyfish
blue-ringed octopus

But you should all just read Bill Bryson’s Down Under (a.k.a. In a Sunburnt Country) to see his take on Australia’s nasties and our peculiar reaction to them. (Not to mention his own paranoia.)

+100 for Bryson's Book

When people on the USA ask me about Aus, I recommend this book to them. Every tie I read it I get all nostalgic. For a visitor he does a fantastic job of capturing a lot of what makes Oz, Oz.

His best book

He comes across as a bit annoying in his others, I think. Josie Dew is the travel writer of choice – and she does her travels on a bike.

That spider looks nasty

But fun links, thanks.

I don't know about that bilby...

…doesn’t look trustworthy to me. I bet if you tried to cuddle him he’d pull out a blade and be off with your mobile phone and wallet before you knew it. Also, when I first came to Cambridge, I rented a room from a 90-year-old female psychopath who always thought my surname was Bilby for some reason (it’s not, and though the latter half sounds a bit like it, my surname actually starts with L) – so it reminds me of her, listening to her yelling abuse every time anyone with brown skin was on television, how much she used to nag if anyone dared to use the bath more than once a week and her horrible bed-bug infested house.

In other words, I’m not going to drop by the pet shop later to see if they have any in stock.

The Bilby gives out chocolates in March/April time

Win-win I say :D

Poisoned chocolates with razor blades in them, probably.

Or just a guilty conscious

surfacing every 12 months or so…

says the man who keeps ferrets....
Ferrets are well known for their great sense of social responsibility

Ours put in a minimum of 20 hours a week down at the local orphanage, handing out gifts and helping to raise funds. They wouldn’t dream of breaking into the kitchen and ripping the bin bag open, nor shredding a brand new pack of cotton wool pads in the bathroom so it looks like there’s been a blizzard. Oh no.

(Come to think of it, I might be blaming the unfairly. With how cold it gets in our bathroom, it’s not beyond the boundaries of possibilty that it was in fact a blizzard.)

So, how would a ferret stack up against Aussie animals?

Which would it be able to eat? (I’m fairly sure it would try to eat everything)

Something like this...

Though I may be confusing ferrets with tyrannosaurs again.

Nice!

Somebody asked me how big ferrets get when I was in the pub once. I convinced them “around fourteen feet” before I couldn’t keep a straight face.

They’d make short work of an Aussie spider – when we first had Yentl, she found a rubber tarantula under the bookcase, grabbed it by the back end and shook it violently to kill it before biting its legs off.

the quoll looks likw a cross between a rat and a fawn. Cute spots!

I like

the threat of Dannii Minogue.

Easily the most terrifying factor on there. Sharks? Pah.
I live just to the left (east coast) sharks label :)
Thank you!
Thanks for all the threads, awesomes stuff :)
Thanks Jen. It was a lot of fun and somehow all the hilarity surrounding the radio call enhanced it.
There's a small hint in the article title

“Now image free” — the first one used photos from various sources without permission. I think this might be a completely new article instead of an updated version of the old one.

It's not, although I didn't realise taking something down meant it would be trashed.

Thank goodness I saved a draft on my computer, because PdC said it no longer existed.

My thread was removed because of the photos in it:(
No

It was just hidden, ready and waiting for you to update it. Jens sent you mail about it, did you not get that?

No.
Sorry, I used the hotmail address registered to your account
No problem Jens. I haven't changed my email address. My fault.
I should also have remembered to add something about Twitter.

There were guys who signed up like Ballan and Vincente Reynes, and then guys who were outstanding at tweeting regularly and oFten amusingly. Andre Greipel is back on Twitter, as is Adam Hansen. Benna however, and his teammate Jens! also provided lots of photos, as did Bole. Vincente Reynes and Tiago Machado are endearing Tweeters. Greg Henderson is also very good value.

Adam Hansen is fun too

Cause apparently he likes to make fun of his teammates :)

Adam Hansen is fun, full stop. He is also handsome :)
I enjoyed Benna's steady stream of photos. A lot.
'deportation is imminent'

Bollocks. Utter tosh.

To which I add, don’t push me into not reading the book as a point of perverse principle.

I doubt I could push you into anything Drongo, never fear.

You missed the thread that was taken down, where Runitout also admitted he’s never read it. To each his/her own.

Well, I have been spectacularly busy

For about a year and a half.

With any luck, I will soon revert to the land of the living, in order to:
- see daylight
- race bicycles
- climb with tehGrindCrusher
- contribute to live threads
- drink Westmalle
- read Cloudstreet

Not necessarily in that order.

LOl. I actually also play CDs/MP3s of books when I'm driving.

Luminaries like William McInnes read Winton’s books, so I keep being tempted to drive to Cairns :)

I also like this review of the TDU

by Lisa’s Mum!

Damn, was a shame I missed all this

Events conspired against me and I wasn’t even around to watch the live races or be on here! Sounds like you did a great job Seahorse.

Must say I enjoyed the racing a lot. For a dull sprint-fest there was a lot of action. Stage 1 crash, W.Clarke’s breakaway success, Freire’s win from a split peloton and then the battle up Wilunga was memorable as always.

One of my biggest memories to come from watching it (on replay :P) though, is the finale of the race, where the camera showed Durbridge and O’Grady talking, dissecting the events of the day like an after action report.

Maybe its just me being over-sentimental about this but to me one of the most talented espoirs to come out of Aus, chatting with a seasoned and acclaimed pro such as O’Grady like that after helping an Aussie win an Aussie WT race in the first WT team…well it’s just great. Not trying to sound all patriotic (it’s the furthest thing I want to be) but can anyone from Aus say 5 years ago that they knew this was going to happen despite all the dreaming? So for whatever reason you may think the GE team is wrong or too one-sided I am at least appreciative of what Gerry Ryan and co have to for the sport here.

A (bad) screenshot of Durbridge & O’Grady:

If Stuey could read this, he have a little tear in his eye. It's exactly why he left a team he loved.

And who better to mentor than young men like Durbridge? Not only does he ride well, he is a delightful young man from what I’ve seen.

Indeed, the future is very bright for Durbridge

I think there will be many riders cursing his name in the future when he gets to the front of a peloton…

+1

Aus cycling has come so far it is incredible.

Sure Australia is a sports-crazy nation (seriously people, you just can’t fully appreciate it until you’ve experienced it!), but it is easy to forget just how far off the radar cycling was.

BTW, how appropriate that in the scene you’ve captured above O’Grady is wearing the red numbers (I assume following the standard protocol for most aggressive or combative rider from the day before?)

It was for that. He never stops.
Yeah most aggressive on Stage 5 although tbf, Haas must've felt a bit harshly done by after the work he did in the breakaway.

Still, not like O’Grady didn’t deserve it

Seahorse, my recommendation is don't buy "Death Comes to Pemberely"

it was a waste of of my time reading it. Long wordy sentences and paragraphs, words getting in the way of the story, telling not showing, and a boring “mystery” plot. I am disappointed. That writer is supposed to be an excellent mystery writer.

She's a brilliant mystery writer...in fact second only to Ruth Rendell within her genre. She's also well into her eighties,

so I suspect she’s a little weary. That said, I must admit, than when I read a few pages in the bookshop, I wasn’t hopeful.

I like Minette Walters

Not really my kind of book and hers are real pot-boilers, but I enjoy them as a guilty pleasure.

Absolutely! I particularly love 'The Scold's Bridle'. Brilliant.
Yup

That one was good. I liked The Echo especially.

What has occurred to me is that she doesn't seem to have published anything new for quite some time.

Is she still alive/writing? I also should have named Reginald Hill and Val McDermid in my list of favourite British crime writers. Hill’s later novels are outstanding.

Reginald Hill, I love that man

I love his later novels, Dialogues of the Dead and Death’s Jest Book are outstanding novels by anyone’s standards and On Beulah Height never fails to move me to tears and I’ve read it many times.

I lived in Yorkshire for a long time, and Hill captures it beautifully – both the urban landscape and the desolate beauty of the Dales.

I read she is actually 90 now. I give her kudos for the effort. The mystery plot was actually good

if it had been written differently. Not enough teasing or clues. Its the writing that was really below par. I had to re-read often because I couldn’t get what was happening due to poor sentence construction. Ah well.

To Seahorse

Whose name has become synonymous with replying to someone but not using the reply button.
I would like to introduce the idea that to Seahorse should also refer to someone who comments but doesn’t post, but then slowly changes her ways to become the writer of some of the best pre stage introductions. It’s not an easy task. Thanks for sharing your love of Aussie cycling on a daily basis and keeping the threads fun.

but then it would be too hard to seahorse

as it is, we are all brilliant at it and can even do it drunk

Thank you for your kind words. As I've said elsewhere, I really enjoyed doing it.

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