
Sporza (via GvA) is asking this question today -- can BMC's Philippe Gilbert, slayer of pelotons in the one-day world, win a big stage race? The Belgian press offers no real answer; BMC manager Andy Rihs suggests that something like Paris-Nice or Tirreno-Adriatico is in the cards, which of course it is, since the favorites for March races are kind of self-selecting and the decisive climbs are not especially Alpe-like. But I don't see Gilbert busting out for a winter race whose prestige is nice but far below the monuments he's been feasting off of lately. If Gilbert were to set aside his usual targets, it wouldn't be for Paris-Nice. He would aim much bigger: the Giro d'Italia.
Come pondering with me, on the flip!

I think it's not out of the question, even if it would always be a longshot. From Gilbert's perspective, this has to be his ultimate stage racing goal, because we can say for certain that the Tour de France isn't happening, ever. The maillot jaune is only available to the elite high-alpine climbers who can time-trial, and whatever Gilbert's strengths, at age 30 he cannot transform himself into this kind of rider, even if he had that sort of ability in him someplace. Could he come close in the Tour? I strongly doubt it but you never know. Win? Nope.
But the Giro is another matter. Maybe the new management won't do this ever again, but from time to time the Giro has created a classics rider's course. In 2007, Danilo DiLuca won on the strength of banned substances time bonuses earned in short climbs. Il Killer won on Montevergine, a 14km ascent with 5% average grade, propelling him into the maglia rosa, which he lost, then reclaimed in Briancon on a day where he survived some real climbs, and then won another bonus by outsprinting his rivals after a 1.5km classics climb. From there he simply held on, against a Giro-esque collection of guys who were middlin' Italian threats (Mazzoleni, an aging Simoni) and kids not ready for prime time (Andy Schleck, Ricco). The time trials were no biggie and the Zoncolan didn't kill DiLuca. Result: a classics-style win.
An even more extreme example was 2004, generally regarded as the easiest Giro in recent memory, won by Damiano Cunego on stage victories at Montevergine (do you see a pattern?) and Bormio. Then, Cunego got a bit lucky since his primary threat was his teammate Simoni, and he hung tough over the Mortirolo to secure the win. Then there is the ultimate modern example, Francesco Moser winning the 1984 Giro. Moser's strengths included time trials, track, and things like the Hour Record. He was a three time winner of Paris-Roubaix (!) and double winner of Lombardia. In other words, he could climb but the Sheriff was primarily a power machine. And an Italian legend, so they rigged the 1984 Giro for him by ironing out the course, allowing Moser to pad his lead on time trials and escape with a one-minute win over Laurent Fignon.
These three examples have one common thread: the winner was Italian. And in two of the three examples I think that was no accident. It's safe to assume that while the Giro wouldn't mind seeing Gilbert, one of the very biggest stars, enliven the race, they will not be looking for ways to get him a win. Furthermore, RCS has totally changed hands, and while the new regime is presumably open to ways to have fun, it's possible that they consider these past courses too gimmicky for their tastes. There is at least a 50% chance that Gilbert will never get a shot at a favorable course. But he might.
If they do go this route in the next, oh, 4-5 years, then the question will be whether Gilbert takes an interest (answer: maybe but this is blatant speculation) and whether the competition lines up in a favorable way. On the latter, more speculation, but let's just say that the Giro is a priority for Italians of all stripes an quality, and for foreigners who can be dissuaded from focusing on the Tour. An easy Giro course might tempt guys from the back of the Tour top ten, or it might drive them away. Certainly the pure climbers of foreign pedigree would be less interested than they usually are, which isn't much. So Gilbert could see a manageable level of competition. As great as the Giro is, the level of GC competition can get pretty thin.
So then there is Gilbert himself. Can he climb? I think we all know the answer there -- yes, up to a point. He was second in the 2011 Tour stage to Super-Besse and not too far off in the Luz Ardiden stage, 24th, which isn't great but there's about a 1% chance that he cared about his GC position. Last year Gilbert was going for Green, and on a mountain stage once he saw his rivals' and own points chances diminished it's impossible to imagine him emptying the tank. On the negative side, he lost his overall lead in the Vuelta in 2009 on the Xorret de Cati climb, dropping 2' to Igor Anton et al. That may be the most useful data point, one where Gilbert was probably trying in a grand tour to prop up his GC standing, and it didn't go well. On the other hand, he had held the lead there for five days, and might have been thinking about Geelong as the Vuelta got closer to the end. Also, he crashed earlier in the stage that day, getting left behind by the Anton group. So maybe he let it go.
Anyway, we do know that he's decent on long climbs, as opposed to great. Can he limit his losses? Sure, against a mediocre field and/or on more manageable GIro climbs. Can he time trial? He's currently the Belgian national champion in the discipline, which doesn't make him the next Cancellara, but probably means that he can do well in the 25-40km range that is typical of the Giro. Again, data points are suspect -- how often does he try? -- but he was sixth in the final ITT of the '09 Vuelta, a 26km flat affair. I'm pretty confident he could hold his own here.
Can he make it through three weeks? Another speculative point, but he was a respectable 38th in the Tour last year, ahead of Tony Martin, LuLu Sanchez, Linus Gerdemann... OK, maybe I'm not proving the point. He was very close to David Arroyo, a better comparison. The rest of the three-week data points are close to useless. Maybe a better data point is what he can do in a couple weeks of the classics. He won four hard races in 12 days last spring in the Brabant-Ardennes campaign. Presumably he rode pretty hard in between, not unlike what you would do in a sprinters' day of the Giro. The guy can definitely recover well.
I think it's possible. If he gets the right course, and decides to go for it, and the Contadors and Nibalis don't follow him to Italy in May. It's possible. Or maybe three days of being snowbound at home is messing with my head. Still, it's fun to dream.
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as i was reading this, i was wondering if cabin fever was starting to get to you.
and then ran into the last paragraph….
can he win it? highly improbable. but, he at least has to return (i think he’s ridden it at least once before) to go and grab the maglia rosa at least once to get the entire collection.
umwolverine - January 20, 2012
David Arroyo had already rode the Giro when he finished close to Gilbert in the Tour.
No, in a word.
The Tour tends to be flatter and feature more of the tempo grinding climbs, and also tends to be raced more defensively because more riders have their seasons resting on it, so any attacks will be marshalled by more people. The Giro tends to be less regulated in the mountains, and while Cunego and di Luca are both converted Classics men, both of them have always been able to handle the big climbs much better than Gilbert has shown in anything to date.
If you’re after a Classics guy who might be able to win the Giro, perhaps you’d be better off looking to Giovanni Visconti, who held the maglia rosa for 9 days back in 2008 and has shown in the last year or two that his climbing is getting better. But I still see it as a long shot.
Maybe if Gilbert picks the right breaks to go in, the route is a good one for him, with lots of steep shorter and medium mountains and not so many epic multi-climb stages, he can ape Paolo Bettini and manage a top 10 like Il Grillo did in 1998. But win the whole thing? Not unless Acquarone really drops the ball on the route.
Di Luca’s GC breakout came in 2005 at the age of 29, so you could say that there is still a remote chance for the 29-year-old Gilbert, but by that point di Luca already had a strong short-stage-race palmarès, with 2nd in País Vasco 2000, 2nd in Setmana Catalana 2001, 1st in the Giro del Abruzzo 2001, 2nd in Tirreno-Adriatico 2002 & 3, 1st in the Giro di Liguria 2003, and winning the 2004 Brixia Tour. Quite a few of these are more mountainous races than Gilbert’s been able to show anything in yet, and he was showing it from an early age, with the País Vasco showing being at 24.
Damiano Cunego was 22 when he won the Giro, benefited from a super-strong team, a weak parcours, and a weak field of opposition.
The Giro is the most unlikely for Phil to win, even notwithstanding that it’s in May, just after a season’s peak for him. If Guillén keeps insisting on these shorter, easier stages with one climb at the end, and Gilbert is in super form for a hilly Worlds, then he might have a chance at a Vuelta in the future, but the problem is that, like in 2009, a hilly Worlds suits many of the GC guys, so we get a strong list of GC contenders. If this happens, then sure Gilbert will be in form, but the likes of Valverde, Evans, Cunego, maybe the Schlecks, Sánchez, Rodríguez and Gesink roll into town, and I don’t foresee any GT route where Gilbert can beat all of those guys.
UrlaubinPolen - January 20, 2012
Cance will win the Tour first.
JustJoshinYa - January 20, 2012
"stage victories at Montevergine (do you see a pattern?)"
Bart De Clercq for maglia rosa?
Aly Edge - January 20, 2012
Yes!
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
"He was very close to David Arroyo, a better comparison."
I don’t see Phil ever getting 13 minutes gift-wrapped for him, but if he ever did (and he wasn’t already 3 hours down) he could have a decent shot.
Aly Edge - January 20, 2012
Sure
but that was in a tough Giro that Arroyo had little business winning. In a 2007 or 2004 style course, Arroyo is definitely a contender.
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
I'm glad you brought this story the way you did
‘cause I don’t believe in the ‘transformation’ stories.
- when Boonen had his grand cru years, there was a lot of speculation in the Belgian press too: if he loses 5kg, he can climb with the best, his w/kg is higher than… he can win mountainstages, he can easily win LBL…. but it never happened.
- when Cancellara crushed everyone in the cobbled classics, the same happened. He even lost some weight and managed to win a (fairly easy) Tour de Suisse, but he never had an impressive result in a mounytain stage in a GT, never won LBL too, though the Belgian press was sure it was just a matter of time.
- two years ago Boonen talked about focussing TT’s, but I haven’t seen any impressive TT results so far
- there was speculation about how Sagan would do if he focussed on stageraces
- Cunego tried several times to become a GC contender in grand tours.
The only successful transformations I know are Wiggins and Riis. Am I forgetting some in, let’s say the last 15 years?
broerie - January 20, 2012
Jalabert?
William H - January 20, 2012
good pick,
he successfully changed from sprinter to Ardennes type guy to stageracer
broerie - January 20, 2012
Sure
as long as you don’t think too hard about how that happened. :)
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
Never positive = clean in my book
broerie - January 20, 2012
Is this the book you're referring to?
tgsgirl - January 20, 2012
hehe
broerie - January 21, 2012
me neither
Either Gilbert takes a shot at a major stage race using his existing abilities (which are presumably at their very peak right now) or he doesn’t. No way does he turn himself into a different rider. Maybe drop a few pounds but that’s all.
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
No
The Giro is for real climbers and will be won by such. Di Luca and Cunego have a much better climbing pedigree than Gilbert, who I don’t think I have ever seen near the top group on a serious climb.
Phil H. - January 20, 2012
And he isn't a great TTist
Phil H. - January 20, 2012
DiLuca was?
Cunego was?
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
No but they were good climbers
Gilbert will need to make up massive gains in a TT
Phil H. - January 20, 2012
I have very little doubt Gilbert will go for a GT win at some point. Perhaps already in 2013.
It will depend on how successful he is in 2012 wrt missing monuments etc. Once he takes a couple more key classic wins (and the Rainbow jersey), it would be exciting to see him competing at the GC level.
Giro or TdF? I know what I would do in his situation. Go for the big target.
Uphill - January 20, 2012
I suppose
But the Tour would have to be pretty tame for him to even sniff the top ten.
I should add, the Vuelta has had a few tame editions too. I guess that’s as likely as a Giro threat.
Chris Fontecchio - January 20, 2012
Top 10 in a tame TdF?
I have much more faith in Gilbert.
Now where are the damned bonus seconds in TdF?
Uphill - January 20, 2012
Yep. Sure is dark here in the northwest these days.
Atmospheric river…rain rain rain, and when it isn’t raining, snow. Flood flood flood. Dark dark dark. Australia might as well be the moon with all that glare-y and nasty sun.
I’ll have to give it to ya: yeah it is possible, though I would have said the Vuelta except they seem to be on a killer mountains kick. Still, Bettini in 08 was 19th up the Angrilu, just 5:49 behind Bert. (Of course he was 120th the next day.) Keep the mountains more sane and the Vuelta and Giro are within reach.
ursula - January 20, 2012
Marc Madiot tried and it cost him Gilbert
That was the plan all along at FdJ, Gilbert as a GC contender. Didn’t work and it only lead to a disgruntled Gilbert moving on with his career. No way in hell he wins a Grand Tour, let alone the Giro.
FrenchKheldar - January 20, 2012
Ay, there's the rub
No. He won’t.
tgsgirl - January 20, 2012
I think that with the suitable course any of cycling's elites could win a grand tour.
However, that would take a very, very, very specific route for a guy like Gilbert or Cancellara.
The Giro is way too climby in general for Gilbert.
That’s the long answer.
Short answer is: Hell no!
LawrenceS - January 20, 2012
I agree with the first line of your comment
He is one of cycling’s elites, and therefore I think he could win a grand tour. To do this, he would probably have to have alot of luck and sacrifice two seasons while he transforms himself into a different rider. But, yes, he could win a grand tour.
PopUp Rolen - January 20, 2012
Admit it...
…you just really really wanted to post that photo :D
Which, looks mighty fine there on the front page. No complaints.
Jen See - January 20, 2012
Let me think...okay. No.
Seahorse - January 21, 2012
That's like thinking about Sean Kelly or Laurent Jalabert winning the Vuelta
Oh, wait…
Javi Polo - January 21, 2012
See?
It happens.
Chris Fontecchio - January 21, 2012
But the top 5-10 riders in a GT overall are at a consistently higher level than in those days
Not that anyone is faster (on the contrary, might be slower), but the depth of talent in the top 10 is more, so there is more competition.
Won’t be as “easy” as it was for Jaja or Kelly.
Douglas Ansel - January 22, 2012
Kelly was 4th in the Vuelta when he was 23 (about to turn 24)
He had multiple career top ten finishes in GTs, Gilbert has 0 top 30s and will be thirty this year. It isn’t going to happen.
Nomer - January 22, 2012
But they were much younger when they started winning stage races
Gilbert will be 30 this year, Jalabert had already won the Vuelta then and Kelly was dominating Paris-Nice and bagging other week-long races like Tour de Suisse. And again, Gilbert has tried and he was not successful at all. It’s not like he doesn’t have challenges like winning Flanders or Roubaix…
FrenchKheldar - January 21, 2012
or MSR, or Worlds...
Nomer - January 22, 2012
Not going to happen, I wish the media would stop pressuring him to try
If Gilbert were going to develop into a grand tour rider, he would have done it by now. He will be thirty this year and nothing about his career progression (desire to win flatter, sprintier races) suggests he is going to become better in GTs. He can’t time trial, and rarely does long, sustained power efforts. It took him years of training and learning from failed attacks to become what he is today. He has found what he is good at, and his skill set does not lend itself to grand tours.
Nomer - January 22, 2012
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Jens - January 23, 2012
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