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Tour de France: Cadel Evans wins first ever Tour, Cavendish takes final sprint

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Mark Cavendish of HTC-Highroad won the final sprint of this year's Tour de France on the the Champs Elysées for his third straight victory on the famous boulevard. Mark Renshaw, who perfectly led out Cavendish, had time to celebrate from behind as Cavendish crossed the line. Edvald Boasson Hagen of Team Sky finished second, while André Greipel of Omega Pharma Lotto crossed the line third.

Results

Stage Results

  1. Mark Cavendish (HTC-Highroad)
  2. Edvald Boasson Hagen (Team Sky)
  3. André Greipel (Omega Pharma Lotto)
  4. Tyler Farrar (Garmin-Cervélo)
  5. Fabian Cancellara (Leopard Trek)

Final General Classification

  1. Cadel Evans (BMC Racing Team)
  2. Andy Schleck (Leopard Trek) 1:34
  3. Fränk Schleck (Leopard Trek) 2:30
  4. Thomas Voeckler (Europcar) 3:20
  5. Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank) 3:57
  6. Samuel Sánchez (Euskaltel Euskadi) 4:55
  7. Damiano Cunego (Lampre-ISD) 6:05
  8. Ivan Basso (Liquigas-Cannondale) 7:23
  9. Tom Danielson (Garmin-Cervélo) 8:15
  10. Jean-Christophe Péraud (AG2R) 10:11

On the final circuits, a break went up the road and Jérémy Roy of Français des Jeux celebrated his Super-Combatif prize with one last escape. But the sprinters' teams never gave them much space to ride and they never offered much threat to the traditional sprint on the Champs Elysées.

In the final kilometers, Lars Bak of HTC-Highroad attacked in an effort to force the other sprinters' teams to work. Behind, the chase took some time to organize, but soon Omega Pharma Lotto went to the front for their sprinter André Greipel, while Garmin-Cervélo slotted in behind them for Tyler Farrar.

With 1.5 kilometers to go, Belgian National Champion Philippe Gilbert led the field, then HTC-Highroad came out of hiding and set up Mark Cavendish perfectly for the finish. Sunday marked the twentieth career Tour de France stage victory for Cavendish, who also won the first Green Jersey of his career.

Cadel Evans of BMC Racing Team celebrated his first ever Tour de France victory. He pulled on the Yellow Jersey after the final time trial in Grenoble, but he won the Tour by chasing every possible advantage in the opening stages and with a doggedly determined defense in the high mountains. Evans won by 1:36 ahead of Andy Schleck of Leopard Trek. For the first time in the history of the Tour de France, two brothers will stand on the final podium. Fränk Schleck finished third.

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Star-divide

This Tour pitted two very different riders against one another. For the first two weeks, Andy Schleck waited, while Evans played the opportunist. Evans picked up valuable time on the Mûr de Bretagne, where he won the stage and during the early uphill finishes of the race. Schleck sat back. Through the Pyrénées, the favorites stalemated and pulled taut the plot line. No one yet held the upper hand, it remained anyone's race to win. Evans_and_schleck_medium

Schleck staked his entire Tour de France on the Alps, and specifically on a massive attack on the road to the col du Galibier. It very nearly worked. When Schleck attacked on the col de l'Izoard, none could answer, and he soon held the Yellow Jersey on the road. As he approached the final climb, Schleck had nearly four minutes over the other favorites. It looked like his Tour to lose.

Like a well-crafted novel, every Tour de France has its pivot, that point at which the narrative turns. In this Tour de France, the climb up the col du Galibier providing the turning point. With Schleck running out the clock, Evans went to the front and began a long chase. Several riders sat on his wheel, but they could offer little help. If he wanted to win the Tour, Evans had to do this one himself.

Andy Schleck rarely shows the effects of his efforts. He rides so smooth, so controlled even in the highest mountains. But in the final kilometers of the Galibier, his face showed his fatigue and his legs turned to rubber. From the commissaires car, Eddy Merckx shouted encouragement, while behind, lower on the mountain, Evans continued his inexorable chase. And the clock ticked down.

In the group with Evans sat the improbable Thomas Voeckler on the ride of his life. Voeckler could not do much to help Evans, but he hoped to defend his Yellow Jersey for just one more day. In the end he did, as Evans successfully kept Schleck from running out the clock and winning the Tour de France right then and there.

119511231_medium The following stage in the Alps, the race to the storied Alpe d'Huez, followed a similar pattern. Schleck joined an early attack by Alberto Contador on the col du Télégraphe, while behind, Evans ground out kilometer after kilometer in pursuit. This time, Evans had help from his team, notably the U.S. rider Brent Bookwalter riding his first Tour de France. The favorites reached the final climb together, and remained locked together through the twenty-one switchbacks to the summit of the Alpe d'Huez.

With the mountains at an end, the advantage switched to Evans, who has a history of big rides against the watch, including a Tour de France stage victory. But it was never a sure thing after the hard racing of the previous stages. Had Evans cooked himself in the long pursuit efforts through the mountains? Did Schleck have the better form?

The clock answers all questions. Just as in the Tour de France there is a turning point, in every time trial, there is a moment when the time gap teeters in the balance, like it could tilt in the direction of either rider. That moment came early in Grenoble and didn't last long. After racing from the back through the mountains, Evans now had the upper hand. Evans stripped the Yellow Jersey off Andy Schleck and put an end to his hopes of winning this year's Tour. Schleck has now placed second at the Tour on three occasions.

There's always more to the Tour de France than the Yellow Jersey battle, and this year, the long run of Thomas Voeckler in the Yellow Jersey became the race's beating heart. Voeckler took the jersey after a long breakaway in the Massif Centrale and against all expectations held it until the final mountain finish on the Alpe d'Huez. It was a gutsy performance from a rider known for making the most of his talents and snatching victories where he can. 119511367_medium

Voeckler's run in Yellow lasted long enough to raise his hopes, but the road is cruel. On the Tour's second ascent of the col du Galibier, Voeckler sat suspended in no-man's land between a breakaway powered by Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador and the chase driven by Evans and his BMC team. Voeckler believed the bike race was going up the road without him, only to find that he'd in fact ridden himself into the ground for nothing.

On the Alpe d'Huez he rode out of his mind yet again, but it wasn't enough. Voeckler never in his career expected to stand on the podium in Paris, but this Tour raised his hopes. His was an Icarus story, flying high into the clouds, before being dashed precipitously back down to earth.

This Tour has raised talk of a French revival as the first French rider, Pierre Rolland, since Bernard Hinault won on the Alpe d'Huez. Rolland also won the White Jersey of best young rider, while Jean-Christophe Péraud finished tenth overall. Two riders in the top ten overall, a stage victory in the high mountains, and the White Jersey: It was a very good Tour for the French teams and riders.

"Today the racers took back the Tour de France," wrote Edward Pickering of CycleSport after the dramatic finish on the Alpe d'Huez. This Tour was cycling with a human face, as the riders showed their fatigue in a way we haven't seen in years. On Friday, the riders rode through the tunnel at the summit of the col du Galibier, passing from the bright afternoon light into the darkness and back again. Perhaps now cycling has finally exited its own dark tunnel and raced into the light. Long may it remain there.

Here are the final results for the 2011 Tour de France.

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Comments

first!

congrats Cadel but forza Cunego :-)

lovely ride from Cunego!
Best Tour I've ever seen

Made more personally satisfying by having the man I wanted to win WIN.

I think so too

I think this is the best Tour I’ve watched in real time, really. I liked the one where Sastre won it on the Alpe d’Huez. That was cool. But this had more drama, more drawn out tension.

That is probably a short list of "real time" TdF views ...

… but I get your point. hahaha
Seriously, this edition of leTour reminded me of those of the 80s. Time has changed things, but this was fun and sorta retro in feeling.

Ice <~~~~~retro

I agree with you

but for me second after Pantani 1998 :-)

+1
man I wanted to win WIN.

Yeah, I wanted Cadel to win WIN too

Yes

Along with 2003

yep :-)

have to agree!

Way to go, Cadel!
c'mon boy

get on the wheel!

;-)

what the heck

was Cancellara doing taking 5th? Leading out for Frank?

He's thinking ahead, working on his sprint.

Can’t have Nuyens taking what’s rightfully his away from him again.

I'd advise him to sprint on the drops next time, though
He didn't want to embarass the sprinters by winning today.
Congrats Cadel!

One of the most exciting Tours I’ve watched in years. Congratulations to all the jersey winners and also to Gilbert, Thor, Rojas, Voeckler (of course Voeckler!), Johnny Hoogerland (for sheer guts), EBH and all the other riders who made it a great sporting spectacle!

well said

numerous great rides including the guys you mentioned. i’ll add Roy and Rolland to the mix!

Agreed, especially this part
One of the most exciting Tours I’ve watched in years.
Tour of the Century

so far

The millennium even!
Bravo Cadel!

Great win, great drama (but I’m glad the ITT wasn’t TOO close, I would have expired)… I love that he won, but I especially love the way the way he did it, showcasing the whole array of skills that a GC rider should have. Brilliant!

to me this was the one to win

of all his efforts so far. what a Tour! and i agree, the way he won it, playing to all his GC strengths, made it all the more thrilling.

Congrats Evans.
Great Tour, great winner

looking forward to my homer race now!!

Ahem...*home

but both work…

Are you from Poland?
Aren't we all?
Good: Cadel

Pretty good race, though strange that no one was able to make a move on a final climb. Both Andy and Contador had to go early to gain any time.

Bad: Sanchez, Schleck TT

Very angry at Sammy Sanchez for hitching his wagons to Contador. As if he needs any help. Just join his team already.

At least Rolland just used Sanchez to get up to Contador, then blew by him.

And the Schlecks have to do a lot of work on TTs. But we say that every year and nothing changes. What gives?

Is it August yet?
Please keep your excitement of the Eneco Tour to a proper level
So, more cowbell?
That is sooooo TdS
More beer and weed?
Please save the weed for the Colorado Tour

(I’m sure we’re fully legalizing soon…)

More cowbell is always the answer

Always.

It's the only answer
I got a fever...
+1

It can’t come soon enough, for the love of God.

Agree with the Sanchez thing
On Friday, the riders rode through the tunnel at the summit of the col du Galibier, passing from the bright afternoon light into the darkness and back again. Perhaps now cycling has finally exited its own dark tunnel and raced into the light. Long may it remain there.

This.

So what does the retro-futuroscope say?

Okay so if I fire up the retro-furturescope I see…

RETRO- Cadel
That Cadel richly deserves this victory…Goes without saying- Lovely to see this man with WC bands on, put on the final MJ, followed by the current WC winning the Team Classification (on top of two immense stages). A lot has been said for his intelligent riding, and while I have always called on him to attack more, he rode a tour perfectly suited to his abilities- Chapeau

FUTURO- Cadel
Hmmm…Not much more to add here. At 34 is likely to have 2-3 more years at the absolute pinnacle- A Lombardia would be lovely, suits him and close to a home race for him, and maybe a Vuelta would be nice- But the man deserves to rest on his plaudits- a bit

RETRO- AC
Alberto not only wore himself out in the Giro, he also ground his team down to a pulp. His mind does tend to wander a bit on early stages and did not have a team aware and fresh enough to keep him where he needed to be. Still for a man who emptied the tank in Italy, the man oozed class in this attacks on the Alpe, and his fantastic TT performance and gave an object lesson in a Champion’s resolve…

FUTURO-AC
Maybe go for the Tour-Vuelta double in 2012? (depending on whether he is CAS’d of course) This TdF disappointment is quite bitter for him and I think that the TdF is a non-negotiable for him next year. I also think that he will be motivated by the challenge of being only the second man to win all the GTs 2x (Hinault!), and will want his 4th MJ. Would love to see him time his Monster Giro Peak for Ardennes week next Spring and take on PhilGil in his natural terrain

RETRO- Andy
Andy bent his team and tried to bend the TdF to his own narrow family ambitions, and very narrowly missed his target. It is a testament to his potential and extraordinary climbing that such a blatantly one-dimensional rider with atrocious, appalling weaknesses in his TT, descending and bike handling skills was one day from the final MJ. His team was exceptional, their tactics questionable, and he showed how unprepared he is for the TdF MJ with a painful display in the final TT.

FUTURO-Andy
Must win a stage race. Must recognise that there is value to riding to win in more than just the TdF. Must learn that pro-level races do go downhill- sometimes in the rain. Must spend more time with the Maestro to improve TT- at least to max his potential. Must sort out how Franck fits in to an overall race strategy. Must just get better in so many areas to be a more complete rider. Must continue that Galibier mentality and be aggressive at EVERY Opportunity when the road goes up- with or without Franck- So many things to work on. Is a superb climber, but must decide if he would like to be a race winner, or not…3 2nd places is making him close to the next Poulidor

What do you guys see in the Retro-Futuro scope for your riders?

Was a pleasure as always participating in this community- Cheers!

DoctorNurse

A top 20 in the TT

Does not scream appalling TTer when discussing Andy. I agree with the Cadel and Bertie viewpoints, but it just seems you’ve done a hatchet job on Andy, which seems mildly unfair given his stunning attack in the Alps.

Yes. I think it DOES indicate appalling time-trialist

1. There were perhaps 10 riders really going for it in that last time trial; the others were going hard, but nowhere near all-out.

2. Andy Schleck knew that everything was riding on that performance.

3. He managed to finish less than 30 seconds ahead of Franck Schleck.

Thus, I conclude that, with everything riding on that one performance, Andy Schleck wasn’t even best of the riders who were essentially mailing their rides in.

I call bullshit on the first point
how many would you think were really going all-out? 15? 20 maybe?
There are very few riders who can end top 20 without giving everything

And there’s some outside top 20 who gave everything, but still couldn’t finish higher. So, 20 at least. Perhaps 25.

so . . . of the riders who were trying their hardest, Andy Schleck, riding to win, still was bottom 3d
Here's my thinking:

of the top ten, maybe 1 (Cunego) not riding all-in. 9

11-20: only riding all-in if stage win or jersey on line: Taaramae, few others: 5 to be generous?

Then, riders like Cancellara, Martin, and Velits going for tt stage win: 4-5.

Laslty, riders like Vandevelde riding to cement teams’ gc: 2-3??

So . . . yeah . . . 20-25.

Ben Swift

all-out because he missed his start time and got stressed about being hors delai

And that's more than 10

Btw, Cunego was 5th on GC before the TT. If he wasn’t riding all-in I wonder why he rode the Tour to begin with.

ok . .. 10 might be too selective, but the general point holds

which is to support the claim that Andy Schleck is a sub-par time triallist for a rider who hopes to win a Grand Tour.

Huge leap from "appalling" to "sub-par for a rider who hopes to win a GT""
True, but DN's point is that Andy needs to work on his TT, urgently...

…and his bike handling skills, especially on descents. He may have made the point hyperbolically, but the point isn’t wrong.

Yes?

A few seconds from 14th, and a few from 20th. Which means he was around his best Tour TT ever, 17th in Monaco 2009 or 19th in Cholet 2008.

Time is what matters.

    He could have been in the top 5 but if his time is the same then what do you have.

which means that he's right up there with Sastre and Simoni in the GC riders

who muddle through time trials ranking.

Had there been another ITT this year Andy Schleck would have been toast.

If my aunt had wheels

She’s be a bus.

Had there been another TT Andy might have ridden differently

And both Sastre and Simoni managed to win Grand Tours.

because both of them rode their asses off when it counted . . .

And . . . Andy Schleck rode his time trial efforts in the two stages before the last tt, as did Evans.

which comes back to the point that when it counted Andy Schleck could not produce.

And the “why” he couldn’t produce was as much a matter of fitness and power so much as it was of his manifest lack of skill on a time trial bike.

So . . . while “appalling” is probably the wrong word (Rasmussen retires that one, I’d guess), I don’t think anyone not-named Nygaard would presume to describe Andy Schleck’s time-trialling capacity as “acceptable.”

This is TWO Tours de France in a row that Andy Schleck has surrendered huge amounts of time in time trials . . .

I thought he lost about 39 seconds last year

Hardly ‘huge’.

prologue . . . lost 1:09

blamed it on wet weather and not taking risks . . .

well . . . lost 42 seconds to Contador.in 8.9 k
Acceptable IMO

He came in only 15 seconds behind Wiggins. I accept that neither of the Schlecks will ever set the TT world alight, but for winning GTs, what they have should be enough (if they fulfil their talent in the mountains)

wiggins instead of going with the favorites

started earlier, with crappier wether

And Andy didn't ride his ass off?

I’m pretty sure he did, until he realized it was over. Anyway, whether or not his time trialing ability is acceptable depends on the goal. He’s not going to win the Worlds TT anytime soon. For winning a GT like this years Tour I’d say it’s acceptable, he lost the Tour in the mountains not in Grenoble.

we disagree then, which is ok

I’d respond by arguing that this year’s Giro-like Tour design was Andy Schleck’s bet chance to win a TdF precisely because it looked, on paper, to minimize the impact of his ‘acceptable’ time-trialling.

If the 2012 route includes a prologue and two ITTs perhaps that will be his motivation to take Ardennes week a whole lot more seriously . . .

I also agree with this.

This year’s tour route couldn’t have been designed better to fit his skills (except of course for all the descents, ban them!). 4 summit finishes and only 42 km TT.

This

Most years there’s more than one ITT, this was a huge opportunity for Andy

Why doesn't Andy have a proper go at the Giro?

It would seem that it should suit him better than the Tour, especially if Contador focusses on the Tour.

although

who knows what the giro will look like next year

philH goes into cold sweat
True

But it is usually hillier than the Tour.

Well they are likely going up "the Zoncolan South"

(or something similar) and back up Tre Crime. I have no fears it will once again be steep, except for the easy climb of Alpe d’ Huez…

giro sprint stage?
Yes

a 3 starred stage on their scale

He has had a proper go at the Giro.

In his first pro year. Guess his finishing spot?

Are you seriously faulting him for not winning the Giro at the age of 21?
No.

I thought it was a great start of his carreer. Was making a joke.

That was his most exciting race of his pro career in my very biased opinion

and the winner was more than likely doped to his gills

Very much agreed.

He actually raced that Giro.

More than likely?

That’s being kind

Well, since Nibali didn't win

we don’t know if the winner had gills or not, right?

Fair point
(In his 3rd or 4th year as a pro)
3rd, I think.

My bad.

He already did

I recall him doing quite welll…

But yes, he should ride the giro/vuelta double next year, forget about the Tour for a year. Likelihood of this being his schedule next year: 0%

As I said

A GT like this years Tour, and I won’t rule out the possibility they have similar in the future and that he is able to make a bigger difference in the mountains.

To be picky

He failed to win the tour in the mountains, then he lost it in the final TT.

I agree with this assertion.
He should have taken time in the Pyrenees.

Especially with a rest day looming.

Frank rode exceptionally well the entire race

If he was not riding with/for his brother, he may have won this race with the kind of form he had. Blasphemous concept but…he should consider riding on a different team than Andy, or at least go to a GT to win for himself, because it’s obvious he can.

Frank's an evern worse time trialist than Andy
only by 3 secs yesterday though?
Worse is worse ;)
Frank => Giro, Andy => TDF

With each acting as a super-domestique for the other.

Frank => Vuelta

so as to not compromise the Tour.

Maybe

I was thinking that the climbs in the Giro might suit Frank better.

Either way, drop the notion of getting both on the podium, but still have one available to the other…

climbs have descents
Ahh and the Vuelta is a drier race..

Well at least to my dodgy recollection, so you may be right.

The standard of Andy's measurement must match the scale of his ambition....

You wanna win the TdF (and put your brother on the podium as well, no less)- You gotta be better than that tight nervous TT performance yesterday.

With the finest TT artist possibly in history on his team, and access to some of the best TT minds in the business, Andy must do better to maximise his potential to move from appalling (for a GC contender) to acceptable.

While he may never be the climbing/TT talent that AC is to win the Jersey’s AC has, he MUST do better in the TT than he has done in this Tour.

many thanks to podium cafe

y’all provided a great lens from which to view this great tour. congratulations to cadel evans, a deserving champion, he really paid his dues.

Great: Europcar

Voeckler was the story of this TdF. And Rolland really deserved a stage. Wonder if he gets to be a #1 on some team next year.

With Voeckler, Rolland, and last year’s KoTM, if this team can stay together next year, who knows…

Happy for Cadel!

it was during Cadel’s first Tour in 2005 that I really got interested in cycling beyond just Lance, in large part because of Cadel and his breakaway run to move into the top 10 overall. Was really hoping that 2007 was going to be his year (when my husband and I went to London and France to see the Tour), then over the last few years it seemed as if he’d never get a break with all the bad luck (crashes, illness, unhealthy team dynamics) – glad it finally happened for him.

The best tour I've watched in the last 30 years.

Cadel is a very popular winner in this house. We’ve been fans since his Volvo-Cannondale days.

Really?

I didn’t watch too much in the mid 90s, but better than all of the Tours from ’85 thru ’89? That was a five year stretch I can not see ever being topped in terms of quality races.

+1

There are races in the 80’s that will be tough to beat.

That was a 5 (five) year stretch that can't be beat, I agree.

This was a 1 (one) year stretch that has never been beaten, I think.

Cavendish 2nd green?

“Sunday marked the twentieth career Tour de France stage victory for Cavendish, who also won the second Green Jersey of his career.”
I must have missed the first time he won the green jersey…

reference to the Vuelta last year
I was disappointed when they anoounced the route because of the lack of ITT Ks

Seems they had just enough.

The best thing with having seen such a good Tour

seem to be that I’m already looking forward to the next races. Even the Eneco Tour.

2014 TOUR IN QATAR!!!!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2014-tour-de-france-could-start-in-qatar

Yeah, let's make the race retarded again!

Really, this year was far too good to keep up

I like Berlin asking for a start

seems some German interest is there again

That would be great

And just on the limits of doable, in terms of distance, imho

Very doable

stage 2 in Germany and then go back to France

Ah right

I was thinking they start with a prologue, but they didn’t this year either. Which would’ve meant 1-2-3 Germany, hit France by stage four.

Or they could go to France via Belgium/Holland

You know, like in the old days.

You mean doping days? Oh so that's what you want I see!!!
They were doping in WWII?

Kewl, you learn something new everyday / at the illustrious Podium Cafe

Most assuredly . . .

one of the reasons why amphetamines wound up being used/abused so heavily in the 50s has to be with their widespread military use during WW2.

For all of the stick that the late 60s gets for the hippy’s playing around with drugs, the 50s and early 60s were a totally-stoned cultural epoch . . .

Aha, they never include that part of ..

… the speed of the Blitzkrieg through the terrain where Germany got bogged down in WWI in any of the historical doco’s.

Heh . . . heh . . . heh . . . you typed "speed"
Yes

Hitler’s mustache was not all natural…

(trys to wiggle out of missing blatantly obvious WWII reference)

guess being in Germany has influenced me to forget it happened(even though I visited Buchenwald…facepalm).

i was always more conscious of it while there

all the cities that had been bombed flat – also was there for the fiftieth anniversary of the end of wwii – tons and tons of stuff on radio and telly and ceremonies and etc. I was actually really impressed with the honesty towards it – although i guess pretty hard to get around that one.

Well I was at the holocaust memorial yesterday as well

so not being aware of it is a complete lie, I just missed the reference. Being in Leipzig i am more interested in the mix of modernity with the old eastern lifestyle, it’s quite fascinating(like seeing an old eastern bloc building next to a large Mcdonalds sign).

in this weeks Die Zeit

theres also informative stuff about another minor little mass holocaust in a different longitude that gets always comfortable, total invisibility

I'm sure we'll try to stop 'em
then after a few days in france

they could go to Russia! How cool would that be?

This thread is over
Hey hey hey

I was talking about Schlieffen, not the little corporal.

I guess Berlin would make most sense for a prologue
Yeah, big city usually means prologue time
+1

London was a big success right? More big city prologues!

Could go for Hamburg too.
posted this below

west berlin hosted three “stages” in 1987: prologue, circuit race, team time trial

A Schlieffen Plan edition

Start in north-western Germany, go through the Ardennes in Belgium and into France. For a bonus, add a time trial (beat winter!) in Poland or Russia.

[sorry for the partial post above]

1987, five stages and prologue, 3 in west berlin

berlin: prologue, circuit, TTT
karlsruhe to stuttgart
stuttgart to pforzheim
pforzheim to strasbourg, france

25th anniversary of tearing down the wall is 2014

    The should welcome the idea.

Sounds about as loopy as the Giro starting in DC

I’d prefer continent continuity

what could have ever

po$$ibly mad€ th€m think of a $tart in Qatar?? Where i’d like to see them start is that african country where they are so crazy about cycling – i forget which – a former italian colony – someone posted something on it here once. Now that would be a cool start.

Eritrea

Speaking of which, there’s a Europcar rumour regarding Daniel Teklehaimanot.

cool, thanks
Congrats Cadel!

Next year the Return of Spanish Dominance!

(Except for their crushing defeat to Germany in the 2012 EC)
And to Ukraine in the Eurovision
Jedward wuz robbed!
Haahahaha

Phil, you crack me up!

SamSan looks genuinely happy to have the dots.
That's because he has no sense of fashion
As far as consolation prizes go

it’s a good one

What's the time cut?

Boasson Hagen should be crossing the line in second place any minute now.

Anyone considered what Cav might turn to next?

Is he such a TdF stage-hunter that he ploughs on with winning 3-5 stages per year and doing (comparatively) little else, or does he pursue other goals? I’d like to see him win the Giro points jersey, but that might be tricky depending on the route. Other than that, I’m not sure what else he could turn his hand to particularly?

There were pixels distributed after his M-SR win

about him wanting to start chasing monuments.

with Cancellara and Gilbert still on the scene?

Mmm I predict slim pickings….

Hard to see his climbing improving enough to make a dent in to many big classics (let alone monuments)

The lack of testnumbers that kept him out of the GB program may not have kept him from winning sprints but I feel like they do limit what races he can win, even with a changed focus. If I were him I’d focus on winning record numbers of GT stages and ride classics to help his teammates. I actually think he would love to do the latter.

like McEwen, then . . . which is not really a knock on McEwen . . .
Like all pocket turbo sprinters
Yes, a Super-Robbie I suppose

If we do some collective thinking, what races do we think he can win realistically beyond the ones he has already?
- Gent Wevelgem and Paris-Tours spring to mind. Has he won Vattenfalls?
What else?

This is where I drew a blank

Obviously the Worlds this year must be a target, but next year….?

Next two years are lost for him (Cauberg, Verona)
Gilbert double! ;)
What's the Olympic RR look like?
Flatter than Andy's ass
So that might be a target for Cav next year?
Well, it's designed with him and him only in mind

so he better damn win it

Andy's ass?
A new romance for the ages

Poor Peta’ll just have to accept it.

they do climb box hill 9 times

Doesn’t look much but most of the climbing is done in two short ramps in the first 2 km with an average gradient of about 7%. Very narrow, rough broken up roads as well (unless they’ve re-surface). I think people could drop him if they wanted to.

After last time round a 40-50km run into center of london, so time to get back on. I guess its the flats course the Olympic regulations will allow though :)

50k flat run in to the line

= flatflatflat

GW

I doubt it, with the new parcours. Too hilly.
Scheldeprijs, obviously.

He has Scheldeprijs already though

K-B-K might be within his limit too I think. With strong teamsupport.

Hence the obviously :)
Omloop het whatever???
Nieuwsblad

Nah, don’t think so

"beyond the ones he has already"
I suck at reading the question

My bad

Well . . . the problem is gonna be hanging in for over 200k

the old G-W would have been possible, with a good team . . . but if Cavendish’s FTP numbers are in the McEwen range . . . he might best stick to GT bunch sprinting.

He hung in for ~300 to win MSR.
300 easily cruising Italian sunshine kilometers

versus 200 shit weather (usually) cobbled racing kilometres. Colour me sceptical.

I doubt shit weather is a foreign concept

to someone from the Isle of Man.

I bet it isn't

Just saying it’s not just the length of the race that matters

Paris-Brussels

Though that’s not exactly a super-classic

If he's planning on braking Merckx record without winning the GC,

    he should try to break Merckx record at Milan SanRemo. If he wins that race 8 times it would mean something.

More GT stages

He’s at 30 now, only one behind Coppi – he could pass him in the Vuelta and be in the top ten before the end of the season

Of course he isn’t even halfway to Merckx (64) on that chart, and even reaching Petacchi (48) would take two more great years.

I do suspect he would really like to break one of the Merckx records (Tour stages or GT stages) before he retires, even though he won’t admit it in public – possibly not even to himself.

That is such a poor assessment of Cav

Cav loves this sport and especially the “classics”. Even he he’s not competitive, he begs to participate in the big one day classics. He wants to go down in the history books with quality wins. Amassing the most TdF sprint wins is just around the corner. It may always remain a childhood dream, but he wants a P-R or Flanders win. But know that he has ambitions.

I think you missed my point

I know he has ambition, I was just querying what exactly. I can’t see him winning P-R or RVV, however much he enjoys the Classics (and we know he does), I’m unsure of where he can turn to next and win.

Gotcha

Good question then.

Cadel the first winner of the TdF from the Southern Hemisphere!
Wait a second...CBS is showing a Tour highlights show.

WTF? Isn’t Vs./Universal an NBC station?

CBS still has the contract with ASO
Had no idea.
Rolland, Coppel, Jeannesson

All French, all in the Top 5 in the Young Riders competition. Do you drink the kool-aid that French cycling is coming back in the near future and that the TdF drought ends?

Rolland is lucky that ...

… Coppel and Jeannesson are there to make a group of “future of French cycling” riders. Being the sole one would seem likely to chew him up and spit him out.

Rolland stands to make some money on his next contract

You’d think that teams would be falling all over themselves to sign him. How much is a potential French future TdF winner worth to sponsors?

Dunno

seems like every French village has a potential French future TdF winner . . .

how many have we been treated to in the last decade?

Kevin De Weer just told on tv

Rolland was a huge talent in the youth categories. He got a huge salary when he became a pro and as a result he took things too easily, didn’t train as he should have, didn’t live as a pro and as a result he became 5 kg heavier. It looks like it took him three years to regain his focus.

"I told you so"

-t
Er schuilt een Limburger in iedereen
Voluntarily?
Deep down

Everyone is cool. Just sometimes it’s covered in layers of Vlaanderen.

You mean I'm an onion?
you stink?
I make women cry
Wait,

Limburgers are considered cool in Belgium?

they are by me
well

there’s Danny Cool Rocket…. But doesnt’he live in Ghent?
;)

Oh I am chugging that kool-aid

I want to believe in these riders, Rolland clearly has the mountain climbing skills, Coppel’s got decent potential because he can climb and tt well, and I honestly know nothing about Jeannesson’s skill, but he’s young and showed some pinache at times.

pinache

?

pineapple
mixed with spinach
Healthy smoothie alert.
very gross one

i think

Haha, let a typo go?
it was a funny one

I’ve made hundreds on this forum, so actually I’m not the right person to criticize others

That's ok

now I know how to spell the word. Not one I see in writing much

agl is hungry

cut him some slack

panache

whoops

I'm not at all sure it's Kool Aid.

There’s been a clear shift in approach among the French teams to training, rider development, and racing. It’s been noticeable for a couple of years, and if the general sense that many have that the peloton is cleaning up pans out, then it also seems very likely that the reputedly much cleaner French teams are also benefitting from that in terms of their competitiveness.

well . . . a couple of years ago

the only SRM you saw on a French-team bike was Rein Taaramae’s SRM amateur

Now, many more are showing up on French team-bikes (save TV’s of course).

Hell, I eved start seeing them in Belgium

Bart De Clercq uses one!

honest question:

Is Belgium not exactly a “scientific training” country?

not at all

most riders train the same way as in the 1970’s:
go very slow on easy days,
go very hard on hard days
that’s it.

No doctors, wattage-experts, tests, … Most pro’s determine their own training schedules. A lot of pro’s don’t even use a HR-monitor.
A pro I know rather well, has bought a Powertap. He rides with the thing all the time but has absolutely no idea what he should do with his data. And what’s even worse: his team (Belgian World-Tour tean) won’t allow the riders to use Powertaps, SRM’s or other powermeters. Not in races and not even in training. So what he does is illegal.
Guys like Gilbert, Leukemans, De Gendt,… are proud of the fact they don’t use training devices.

A lot of guys are very successful without scientific support,

but I’d like to, see the young riders use powermeters a bit more. And I’ve got a feeling that the attitude of riders like Gilbert isn’t really helping.

Anglo-saxons are lightyears ahead of us ath this point
if nothing else

numbers are always very motivating in training

Scientific follow up too
And italo-Swiss too.
Gilbert, at least, has an SRM head-unit

On his handlebars.

Because he has to

but only in races

Chartreau (of polka dot fame)

uses no bike computer at all while racing.

that is not uncommon actually

some riders just don’t want to know their data while racing (HR195? WTF I’m about to explode). Others only use it to know distances or for pacing.

BPM = 195?

Yeah, you kind of already know that you are near your upper limits; it’s that pounding sensation running through your entire body :-)

i dont really need to look at any devices to see that i am exploding

in races. except for an itt it is usually for historic/recording/fadigue etc….post race

I understand

Completely useless while racing. If a break goes, you can’t let it go because you’re 0.5% above your threshold.

but he has nothing

no speed, no kms, nothing. Actually except when riding alone i never look at any of that stuff either. But he did say he thought he was the only member of the peloton to have no counter at all on his bike.

Only thing I could imagine to be useful sometimes is distance

and speed when in a pace line.

Knowing power is super-useful in situations like the one Evans was in

the last two Alps stages (and in time trials . . .)

After a while of using power, I’ve stopped thinking in terms of speed and much more in terms of power: as in “that gap’s gonna take 400w to close etc.”

I rarely look at the thing IN races unless I’m on the front or having to chase, but analyzing the files to see what went right or wrong is very useful.

But that's what I meant: useless in races

That gap just has to be closed, damn the watts.

i doubt the change in training approach explains more than 5% of the change we're seeing.

the french, who have been slow to adopt modern training techniques, have had crappy results in the past decade.
the belgians, who have used a similar approach to training, have had WCs, monument wins… in the past decade.
the difference between the two? the french have been under a bio passport since festina. now that everyone is subject to the uci’s passport, things level out. i don’t see any correlation with training methods. as far as i can tell, it’s a bullshit excuse used by dopers to try and justify their dominance. just like the reason the french didn’t all embrace lance was because they were bitter an american was winning their race.

As has been said, It was a great Tour for viewers. Now for a pointless exercise, what if....

Wiggins, Vino, Kloeden, Horner, JVDB, etc. hadn’t crashed out?

Do you think that would have made the racing any better? Or would it have somehow detracted from what we saw?

Would Andy’s day on Izoard/Galibier have been any different with a fuller GC contingent?

Would Thomas Voeckler have had his time in yellow?

It would have had to.

Vino always attacks, Wiggins may have given help for others.

Against a dark grey October sky, the 4 horsemen ride again (oops, wrong sport)

He likes his green shirt

The Brothers Schleck on the podium

Millar and Vande Velde celebrating

Bet we'll see the corresponding pic from Millar's camera on Twitter before long.
I'll take Famous horsemen for 400, Alex
Replace 610x.jpg with 1000x.jpg for a larger version

(higher number just adds grey border)

uhh, if it's more than a simple llnk, I'm lost.
It's a little trick I found out for Daylife photos

All your links end in “610×.jpg”; change that to 1000×.jpg and you’ll get a larger photo.

And where the height of the pic is greater than the width

… such as with the shot of Cav, then the magic number is 950 ;-)

Should Andy try to win the Tour of Colorado in August?

Its been beat to death, the notion that Andy doesn’t play to win unless he is at LBL or TdF. And we just saw Andy soft-pedal through much of another one-wk sUS stage race at the AToC in May.

But maybe he should just go for it in Colorado. Why not? Even in post-TdF hangover form he should be able to win it on the mountain stages.

Dunno if GS posted this yet

But Belgium’s quality press was amazing – once again – this weekend.
De Morgen published this amazing article:

i see will's fan club there on the right
And Will is on the left with the cap
He would have had the shoe too.

So no.

Why do they call him Thierry?
Good question!
Maybe there was some sort of bet between Belgian and British newspapers?
Referring to the Michael Cavendish story?
Yes.
I mean, CAN it be a coincidence???
On one hand I think this is more likely to happen in Brittain

where cycling is only a SSS (Shit Small Sport) whereas in Belgium it is huuuuuge.
On the other hand Cav is Brittish of course. Journalists should know their world-class athletes.

So who'd have won?

The English? Or the Belgians?
Hard to say IMO. Misspellling Cav’s name is unforgivable, but giving a stage winner in the TdF a wrong name is terrible too. I dunno what is worse actually.

Let's just wait

until someone in the Aussie press congratulates Carl Evans. Geen ballen, geen winst.

Marcel Evans?
Alfy Schleck

Burrito Contador

Heh. We've got to watch them all for a couple of days...
I thought that it might be some kind of name play to someone else.

But I can’t see it. Thought that maybe someone who understood Flemish could tell me. But maybe it’s not intentional. Actually, it’ probably not since they continue it in the text.

Nope, just plain stupidity

Biggest race of the year and they cant’ even get the name of the stage winner right. And this is Belgium, home of cycling. What a disgrace!

i'm thinking its a reference to Thierry Henry and having the va va voom :)
The new Sandy Casar!
Samuel Casar, you mean.
Randy Castor
He's not a porn actor
He may have an undercover career.
Are you sure?

Ah yes, the classic "pre-condom" masterpieces

to be found in the national archives now

the rear reflector is pure class . . .
Safety comes first.
Not to mention the brakes on the bar-tops...

…and the extremely upright riding position.

and the suicide brake levers . . .

Think that jersey’s sort of supposed to look like a TI Raleigh jersey . . .

Suicide brake levers...

…that’s the term I was looking for.

WTF?
Porn and cycling have a long history together.
Amazing

Why was this hidden for me all this time? I’m old enough now…

Is that the Spanish champ jersey?

I’ve seen worse.

Hehe,

castor is french for beaver

And they do it twice!

In the infobox as well.

Interview with Bertie on Danish TV.

Getting ready to partyyyyyyyyyyy!

Belgian tv showing an interview with Chiara

I think I just fell a little bit in love with her. The Italo-English is just too sexy.
You think Cadel would mind if………..?

Her husband just won the Tour.

I’m guessing she’ll stay home for a bit.

but cadel will be on the road riding all those crits

she’ll be bored

Oooh

nobody deserves such lonelyness. I’d better get into action!

Always ready to help a women in need, are you?
Any particular reason why you're asking this question?
;-)

.

Oh, give your nieces a kisss from me!

(Zzzing!)

I'm visiting them tomorrow!

Will do.

Yeah, but think of the threat about his dog

and imagine what he’d do if you, ah, stepped on his wife.

I wasn't exactly thinking of stepping on her

;)

You're a true gentleman.
Word on twitter

is that Stapleton has a new sponsor, and a bigger budget.

Boy, I sure hope this is corrrect!
Me, too!

And if Cav hasn’t actually signed elsewhere yet, this would be the time to wave a nice hefty contract in front of him, while he’s still all misty-eyed from his 3rd Champs win.

that and a little drunk
Cav doesn't drink
Respect, yo

although I read that while enjoying some wine. :)

probably a good idea given his mouth
Said in ITV interview that he doesn't during the season

which implies that he does outside the season.

Radsport

In German. Nothing signed, but Stapleton is very optimistic. There are two options.

And it sounds like HTC isn't an option
How awesome is this? Yeah wrong race but it's me

http://www.facebook.com/giroditalia?sk=app_7146470109

That's pretty cool.
So far

oh dear. a monster has been created.
The most awesome monster ever, you mean
Giro is actually Italian for 'cool'

I’m sure Phil will agree

Understatement
What did I miss?
Okay, the journalists are definitely fucking with us.

Britain again, The Daily Mail:

Thierry…Philippe…whatever.

Fench guys, their names are all the same...

or some such?

Oh, poor Jacques Rolland

You win the white jersey and still no one knows who you are!

what's the white jersey for again?
Leader in Brixia tour I think
I coninued our little experiment today

But 1 only found one misspelled name in De Morgen, and it’s not even funny

I'm already looking forward to next year's prologue.

*sigh *

You can start drooling/dreaming here.

Oh, that's a lot of spots

in which you can see the riders twice! Awesome. Time to start picking my spot.

+1

though I wanna see some cobbles in spring first…

i'm gonna go ahead and make some comments without ready the rest of them first

i spend the weekend away from the internets and am just now catching up to the tour results.

5 frogs in the top 15?

3 out of 4 in the U25?

go Cadel!

can we start calling Andy pou-pou yet?

Re Andy, not yet

We might want to wait a few weeks.

+1

since you’re frenchie you can say frogs, I’m only a roast beef

there's a little frog in you

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